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VGPolyglot on 03 October 2017
Soundwave said:

Wasn't a Muslim or Mexican? Guess nothing can be done then, just one of those darn "lone wolfs" (gee schucks). If it was a Mexican, the Wall would be 20 feet taller, calls for mass deportations, and crack downs, Trump would have a seizure twittering if it was a Muslim, and all people of those groups would be demonized fifty ways to Tuesday.

When Sandy Hook came and went, and no one did anything after school kids were gunned down, nothing was ever going to change.

NRA owns politicians via payoffs, so basically nothing will be ever done, even when there is broad consensus among Democrats and even Republican voters on several common sense gun restrictions (like not allowing mentally ill people to gain access to guns among several other restrictions). Just gotta get used to it happening every 6-18 months.

I don't like the NRA myself, they're a right-wing pro-gun organization. However, not all of the gun owners/pro-gun people are on the right. I don't have a gun myself, nor do I feel the need to have one at the moment, but if I was living in a more dangerous community, I may feel like a gun would be a necessary possession.



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3sexty on 03 October 2017
konnichiwa said:

ther partner they are looking for (comments say she is from Filipino ancestry).

Marilou Danley is being sought for questioning re the investigation into the active shooter incident. If seen please call 9-1-1!

Yeh I just read today she also holds an australian citizenship (lived in gold coast for a decade) and in fact her sister's son, a born australian living in the state of queensland met the gunman only few months ago and found him to be just a perfectly normal quite guy who he assumed could never even dream of doing something like this. How do these characters conceal these tendacies so well is beyond me.



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Pemalite on 03 October 2017
Lawlight said:

Permalite, Australia has 18M people back then. 18M v 323M. It's common sense that it's nowhere near the same. Australia is massive landwise but the majority of people are concentrated in the capital cities or around them.

My name isn't "Permalite" it is "Pemalite".

Population is irrellevant.
The fact is... The USA went from 1 gun for every 2 people 50 years ago... To an almost 1:1 ratio of guns to people today. That's right, there are roughly 300 million guns.
Guess what? Gun violence hasn't reduced. It has increased, that is a fact.
Massacres are becoming more coming, they are becoming more severe and they are becoming "normal". I.E. Orlando shooting.

So you might as well deal with it if you aren't willing to make a change.

Lawlight said:

And the government only had about 1M that were surrendered or bought back. Imagine trying to buy back 200M guns.

I am only hearing excuses, not solutions.
The amount of guns is again... Irrelevant. I will rehash it again...
Gun control is not an overnight thing. The USA has orders of magnitude more resources, security and so on than Australia.

Lawlight said:

And we know that criminals can get guns in Australia - we've seen it multiple times over the past years.

Correct. But I think you are missing the entire point of gun control.
It is *extremely* difficult to get guns in Australia and often not worth the bother.
The results speaks for themselves, Australia hasn't had a massacre in decades.

The USA? Seems like an extremely common occurance now, you might as well get used to it, it's a part of everyday life.

Lawlight said:

And for the record - the surrendering of the firearms in australia wasn't voluntary - the government spent around $500M to buy back 660,000 guns.

Not sure how old you are or if you were around during that point, but I certainly was. They most certainly were voluntary to start with as we had a sawn off shotgun in the shed.
We did actually surrender the gun during the second wave of buybacks.
This year the Government also opened up outlets to surrender firearms for destruction... Which just proves the point. It is not an overnight solution, Gun control is a long term process.
Get started on it now and benefit decades later.





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sc94597 on 03 October 2017
Pemalite said:
Lawlight said:

Permalite, Australia has 18M people back then. 18M v 323M. It's common sense that it's nowhere near the same. Australia is massive landwise but the majority of people are concentrated in the capital cities or around them.


Population is irrellevant.
The fact is... The USA went from 1 gun for every 2 people 50 years ago... To an almost 1:1 ratio of guns to people today. That's right, there are roughly 300 million guns.
Guess what? Gun violence hasn't reduced. It has increased, that is a fact.

 

This is wrong. 

Homicides (including gun homicides) are at their lowest point  in the last fifty years, after a sharp spike due to socio-economic factors (a young population + economic stagflation.) 

Below is a chart since the 90's that compares the guns per capita vs. gun homicide rate over a twenty year span.  



Pemalite on 03 October 2017
sc94597 said:
Pemalite said:


Population is irrellevant.
The fact is... The USA went from 1 gun for every 2 people 50 years ago... To an almost 1:1 ratio of guns to people today. That's right, there are roughly 300 million guns.
Guess what? Gun violence hasn't reduced. It has increased, that is a fact.

 

This is wrong. 

Homicides (including gun homicides) are at their lowest point  in the last fifty years, after a sharp spike due to socio-economic factors (a young population + economic stagflation.) 

Below is a chart since the 90's that compares the guns per capita vs. gun homicide rate over a twenty year span.  

 

A Homicide is any act of one human killing another.

I am strictly talking about massacres. I.E. One human killing lots of other humans.




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Rab on 03 October 2017

You live by the sword you die by the sword.. very ancient proverb



Rab on 03 October 2017
sc94597 said:
Pemalite said:


Population is irrellevant.
The fact is... The USA went from 1 gun for every 2 people 50 years ago... To an almost 1:1 ratio of guns to people today. That's right, there are roughly 300 million guns.
Guess what? Gun violence hasn't reduced. It has increased, that is a fact.

 

This is wrong. 

Homicides (including gun homicides) are at their lowest point  in the last fifty years, after a sharp spike due to socio-economic factors (a young population + economic stagflation.) 

Below is a chart since the 90's that compares the guns per capita vs. gun homicide rate over a twenty year span.  

Most likely related to the fact the US has one of the highest incarceration rates in the World, the US is the closest thing the World has to a prison state

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rate 



sc94597 on 03 October 2017
Pemalite said:
sc94597 said:

This is wrong. 

Homicides (including gun homicides) are at their lowest point  in the last fifty years, after a sharp spike due to socio-economic factors (a young population + economic stagflation.) 

Below is a chart since the 90's that compares the guns per capita vs. gun homicide rate over a twenty year span.  

 

A Homicide is any act of one human killing another.

I am strictly talking about massacres.

Then why say "gun violence"? Mass public schootings, defined as "four or more people killed indiscriminately" make up a very small minority (less than 1%) of gun casualties in the United States. Their increase coincides with the shutting down of mental health facilities (late 70's.) 



sc94597 on 03 October 2017
Rab said:
sc94597 said:

This is wrong. 

Homicides (including gun homicides) are at their lowest point  in the last fifty years, after a sharp spike due to socio-economic factors (a young population + economic stagflation.) 

Below is a chart since the 90's that compares the guns per capita vs. gun homicide rate over a twenty year span.  

 

Most likely related to the fact the US has one of the highest incarceration rates in the World, the US is the closest thing the World has to a prison state

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rate 

Actually the incarceration of non-violent drug users likely adds to the homicide rate rather than solves it. It ruins the lives of millions of human beings and keeps them in a life of drug cartels and gang warfare. If the U.S took the policies that Portugal and Switzerland implemented, our homicide rate would probably half over a generation. In fact, the U.S homicide rate was in line with other western countries until the prohibition era saw it spike (first large-scale organized crime) and never drop too low since. 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-swiss-drugs/swiss-drug-policy-should-serve-as-model-experts-idUSTRE69O3VI20101025

https://news.vice.com/article/ungass-portugal-what-happened-after-decriminalization-drugs-weed-to-heroin

 



monocle_layton on 03 October 2017
Lawlight said:
monocle_layton said:

Yeah. It's as if the infowars whackos don't realize that gun restrictions doesn't mean we want to steal their guns and cause martial law.

 

Maybe (and just fucking maybe) gun violence is insanely high in the US and can be lowered with proper steps. But no, instead every bill brought will be dumbed into 'hurrr liberalz taken my guns abd liburty' and rejected as we enter this cycle when the next mass shooting occurs in 2-4 weeks.

No, I'm talking about the people like these:

Lena Dunham who says that the shooting was about gender and race.

The CBS VP who mocked the people killed because people attending a country music festival must be gun-totting republicans.

Or general silly people saying that the Trump voters deserved it.

Another calling the NRA a terrorist organisation.

In any case, what exactly is your solution?

 

 

 

 

I honestly never care what people say. R/The_Donald is a shitshow after this event, but I never bothered to see what ridiculous claims people can spout

 

The solution was never to simply take all guns. Being smart about WHO we supply our guns to could solve a lot of our issues. My idea is vague, yes, but I never said I magically had the answer to it all.

 

Germany's police force and Japan's gun policies are (in my opinion) very tough, and are the reason why we rarely hear about gun-related incidents over there. More education and more rigid tests to pass would make a significant difference.

 

Would it always work? No, but I'm sure it'd decrease the insane amount of mass shootings the US receives.