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SpokenTruth said:
VGPolyglot said:

That's who I meant we had to defend ourselves from.

Oh, well, then.  That must be a very confusing lifestyle.  They fear the military but chear proudly when they bomb a foreign country.

VGPolyglot is an anarcho-communist, I doubt there is much cheering "when they bomb a foreign country" coming from anarcho-commuinst. Again, not all gun-rights supporters are right-wing. 





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Hiku said:

Thanks for the term clarification. And it's good that fully automatic weapons are heavily regulated.
Regarding the guns in the picture though, doesn't the above one require you to reload in between every round?
I read that the ones used in both Newtown and Orlando were semi automatic and didn't require reloading (as long as each clip lasts).
Ideally, it would be good if such weapons were only sold to people who have a specific need for that function, such as farmers dealing with animals.
And for everyone else who wants to use them at the range, they can borrow it there.

Nope, the gun on top is semi-automatic with a capacity of up to 10 rounds, meaning one pull of the trigger = one shot and one can shoot up to 10 times before reloading. The ammunition is loaded directly into the stock. It is a Ruger 10/22. You can find information about it below. 

http://www.ruger.com/products/1022/overview.html

Most rifles in the U.S these days are semi-automatic, even the ones farmers/rural people use. Only about 2% of murders are commited with long guns(including shotguns/rifles), so most Americans see it pretty useless to target them. The overwhelming majority -- 99% of people with these guns don't commit murders as well. Handguns are used to commit the majority of gun homicides, but Americans see this as an innercity problem relating to drug prohibition and gangs. There hasn't been a big enough movement aiming to restrict handgun ownership since the 50's. 

People who spend a thousand dollars on a gun, likely have a use for it. Otherwise they'd buy something else. About 20% (64,000,000) Americans live in rural areas, and when I say rural I mean rural, suburban areas are counted in the urban statistic. 



VGPolyglot said:
FIT_Gamer said:
I'm just glad he was white. Minimal or no dog whistling from our Clown in Chief.

I don't understand this. Instead of wishing for the person to be of a certain race, we should try to remove prejudices that perpetuate racial issues in the first place.

As fucked up as it may sound America treats shootings like this differently depending on the shooters race. Think about how trump would have reacted if this was a radical Muslim and then think about how that would further radicalize his base. If it's 1 white guy then it's a lone psychopath some random nut case but if he was from Pakistan then then United States would be under attack by radical Islam which would lead to more fear, paranoia, hate crimes ect. Either way no problems are solved but 1 causes more problems than the other. 



So guys two of my close friends were at the MGM yesterday and left about 2 hours before the shooting. Why can't we just be sensible about guns? If we want to have accessibility to the public we need real responsible measures to protect ourselves from insane people or we are going to just give them a free licence to kill. I just don't accept that we have to be at their mercy. My friends were there for a birthday and our right to life supersedes everyone's right to murder. We aren't so week that we can't take preemptive actions to protect ourselves. Gun controls, background checks... I don't care we have to do something.



 

SpokenTruth said:
CosmicSex said:
So guys two of my close friends were at the MGM yesterday and left about 2 hours before the shooting. Why can't we just be sensible about guns? If we want to have accessibility to the public we need real responsible measures to protect ourselves from insane people or we are going to just give them a free licence to kill. I just don't accept that we have to be at their mercy. My friends were there for a birthday and our right to life supersedes everyone's right to murder. We aren't so week that we can't take preemptive actions to protect ourselves. Gun controls, background checks... I don't care we have to do something.

Sadly, some people care more about guns than the people that guns kill.

Do you like Trump and the government right now?



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Hiku said:

The idea to arm yourselves in case you want to form a militia to overthrow the government is an outdated idea in this day and age in my opinion. It was fine when it was all muskets and cannons. But when you're up against drones, tanks, etc it becomes a different reality.

I think the idea is less to overthrow the government, but to make a totalitarian government costly and bankrupt in the event of power-consolidation and therefore to dissuade explicit projections of state power. Guerilla warfare is expensive for the more powerful party. Plus the individuals in the ruling classes have personal regard for their own safety. If people are shooting at them personally, regardless of whether or not they can eventually win a war, they are going to be concerned. 

Many Americans are skeptical of the stability of the American political system, and worry not just about power projected from above, but also mobs of violence from one another. The left worries about Trump supporters and white-nationalist, the right worries about state-socialists and marxist-leninists. Right-populists believe the military will be on their side against the state in the event of a civil war. 

The U.S government is not going to use drones, tanks, nuclear weapons, etc to destroy its own infrastructure. That is too expensive. If anything, an armed population is more costly and dangerous to the status-quo today than it was when it was "muskets and cannons" because there are more moneyed-interests. 






When they go low, we go lower.



numberwang said:
When they go low, we go lower.

Who's Richard Dawkins? Whoever he is, a very classless and horrible post.

BTW, CBS just fired their Vice President because she posted on Facebook that the victoms of this attacks deserve no symphothy because most likely being country music fans they are gun toting republicans.



CosmicSex said:
So guys two of my close friends were at the MGM yesterday and left about 2 hours before the shooting. Why can't we just be sensible about guns? If we want to have accessibility to the public we need real responsible measures to protect ourselves from insane people or we are going to just give them a free licence to kill. I just don't accept that we have to be at their mercy. My friends were there for a birthday and our right to life supersedes everyone's right to murder. We aren't so week that we can't take preemptive actions to protect ourselves. Gun controls, background checks... I don't care we have to do something.

What do you propose would have prevented this? I am only guessing based on what I heard, but it sounded like the guy had a fully-automatic weapon. These are illegal/inaccessible for the overwhelming majority of Americans, and require extensive (6 month long) background checks. They also cost tens of thousands of dollars. 

Furthermore, any automatic weapons produced after 1986 are illegal to own by civilians, and can only be manufactured for military purposes. 



SpokenTruth said:
The Sandy Hook elementary school shooting ended the gun control debate in the US. America decided on that day that it was OK to use guns to mass kill children in a school.

Get used to it, world. Our political right cares far more about their guns more than people.

The big question is: what causes that sort of insanity?



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