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Cerebralbore101 said:

2. Like I said before, in 2074 you will be able to 3D print your own PS1. No emulation required. 

You do realise that you're promoting piracy now, yes?



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VGPolyglot said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to find that 0.1 percent of the code and figure out what is missing though. Textual scholars have been able to reconstruct entire ancient documents by comparing copies. I agree that digital preservation will eventually be needed. Eventually all discs will fail, whether it is 70 years from now or 100 years from now. Eventually those discs will need to be ripped and their code will need to be preserved. But are emulators absolutely nesseccary for that? No. 

Why is emulation such a huge issue for you? The PS4 uses PS2 emulation, the Xbox One uses 360 emulation, the NES/SNES Classics use emulation.

Emulation of modern consoles by people that don't own the copyright is a huge deal to me. It enables theft, and like Azuren said, anybody that wants to pretend that is isn't being used for theft is full of shit. The majority of people that use unofficial emulators are theives. Piracy breeds DRM, and that spells the end of consumer rights. 



Leadified said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

2. Like I said before, in 2074 you will be able to 3D print your own PS1. No emulation required. 

You do realise that you're promoting piracy now, yes?

Public domain. 



Cerebralbore101 said:
Leadified said:

You do realise that you're promoting piracy now, yes?

Public domain. 

In that case, why wouldn't you use a software emulator?



Cerebralbore101 said:
Zkuq said:

1. I'm not familiar enough with your history to be able to answer to this properly. If you can provide be me a short elaboration, I'll gladly look into it however. Anyway, if a judge's judgement on a matter isn't the official interpretation of the law and thus effectively the law, I don't know what is. Whether that's the correct interpretation of the law might be questionable of course. Maybe you should have a system for fixing judges' errors, but I'd say that's an entirely different issue. Getting back to the actual emulator topic though: Which copyrighted property do you think emulators are violating?

2. I'm not stupid. I know very well something being illegal has nothing to do with its existence. Laws need enforcement to be effective. Anyway, your arguments 1 and 2 are seemingly separate and seemingly counter-arguments to two different arguments, while I only had one argument. Thus, it seemed odd that you seemed to be countering two different arguments when I only had one.

1. Google Dredd Scott. 

2. You said that if emulators were illegal they wouldn't exist. Your argument was if  A, then B. Or to put it another way, if A (the ground is wet) then B (it is raining). That form of argument isn't valid though, because the ground could still be wet from some other means, such as a burst damn. Affirming the consequent isn't a valid argument. 

1. Thanks! Looks like too much reading to get a firm idea of whether the decision was sound or not, but I think I got a general idea of the case.

2. I guess I should have elaborated in the first place instead of assuming you'd understand what I meant. Technically my argument wasn't what you say it is, it just seems that way because of my poor expression. My bad.

Anyway, I'm still waiting for your answer to which part of emulators violates which copyrighted property, because I can't find any.



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Guy 1: Oh hey, Winds of Winter is finally out. Did you buy it?

Guy 2: Oh no, I downloaded it from a piracy site!

Guy 1: So you stole it? 

Guy 2: Oh I'm just doing GRRM a favor! You see, if it wasn't for digital copiers like me his books would be lost forever. Luckily people have worked to preserve his books by transcribing them into an all digital format, while it is still on store shelves! I don't know why there isn't an official digital version of the book, but oh well!

Guy 1: Are you fucking stupid? 

Leadified said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Public domain. 

In that case, why wouldn't you use a software emulator?

That's not the point. The point is it isn't needed. 



Zkuq said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

1. Google Dredd Scott. 

2. You said that if emulators were illegal they wouldn't exist. Your argument was if  A, then B. Or to put it another way, if A (the ground is wet) then B (it is raining). That form of argument isn't valid though, because the ground could still be wet from some other means, such as a burst damn. Affirming the consequent isn't a valid argument. 

1. Thanks! Looks like too much reading to get a firm idea of whether the decision was sound or not, but I think I got a general idea of the case.

2. I guess I should have elaborated in the first place instead of assuming you'd understand what I meant. Technically my argument wasn't what you say it is, it just seems that way because of my poor expression. My bad.

Anyway, I'm still waiting for your answer to which part of emulators violates which copyrighted property, because I can't find any.

They violate the copyright on the bios code, by using it. 



Cerebralbore101 said:
VGPolyglot said:

Why is emulation such a huge issue for you? The PS4 uses PS2 emulation, the Xbox One uses 360 emulation, the NES/SNES Classics use emulation.

Emulation of modern consoles by people that don't own the copyright is a huge deal to me. It enables theft, and like Azuren said, anybody that wants to pretend that is isn't being used for theft is full of shit. The majority of people that use unofficial emulators are theives. Piracy breeds DRM, and that spells the end of consumer rights. 

Man, it's just crazy to me that allowing for more options and a wider range of people being able to enjoy the game can be seen as a bad thing. And guess what? DRM was going to be attempted, piracy or not. Remember the Xbox One, and its original plans? Guess what? That was not to avoid piracy, that was to avoid people getting used copies of games.



Cerebralbore101 said:
Leadified said:

In that case, why wouldn't you use a software emulator?

That's not the point. The point is it isn't needed. 

You would not need to print a PS1 if it's legal to emulate. You've offered a solution to a problem which no longer exists.



VGPolyglot said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Emulation of modern consoles by people that don't own the copyright is a huge deal to me. It enables theft, and like Azuren said, anybody that wants to pretend that is isn't being used for theft is full of shit. The majority of people that use unofficial emulators are theives. Piracy breeds DRM, and that spells the end of consumer rights. 

Man, it's just crazy to me that allowing for more options and a wider range of people being able to enjoy the game can be seen as a bad thing. And guess what? DRM was going to be attempted, piracy or not. Remember the Xbox One, and its original plans? Guess what? That was not to avoid piracy, that was to avoid people getting used copies of games.

Just because piracy isn't the sole source of DRM, doesn't mean that it doesn't cause DRM. A causes B. C also causes B. Therefore A does not cause B? Not a valid argument.