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Forums - Politics - White Supremacist Drives Car into Counter-Protesters (20 Injured, One Dead)

Superman4 on 15 August 2017
SpokenTruth said:
Let me get something straight.

Alt-right, KKK, neo-Nazis, etc...exist with the intent of oppressing, disparaging, harming and killing certain people.

AntiFa exists to make sure they don't.

Do I really need to point out the false equivalency here?

So its Ok for Antifa to insight violence if they deam it Ok but its not for any of the other groups if they deam it Ok?

 

Antifa is no better or worse than the groups they claim to be "protecting" everyone from. 



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ratuscafoarterea on 15 August 2017

Again, this guy is calling me names, I mean why is this kind of language permited?



ratuscafoarterea on 15 August 2017
SpokenTruth said:
Let me get something straight.

Alt-right, KKK, neo-Nazis, etc...exist with the intent of oppressing, disparaging, harming and killing certain people.

AntiFa exists to make sure they don't.

Do I really need to point out the false equivalency here?

Actually, that's why you have the state for, you know , the police, the army, the goverment.



AngryLittleAlchemist on 15 August 2017

What does Alt right even mean? Before it was popular I thought it meant libertarian conservative like Sargon of Akkad, now it seems like a synonym for racist



RJ_Sizzle on 15 August 2017
Superman4 said:
RJ_Sizzle said:

What wrong did the counter-protesters do where they needed to be hit with a car and killed? For standing up to people that defend slavery and genocide. the very people that claimed that they voted for this president because they claim he represents their ideals? It's funny how other republicans immediately condemned the actions, but you say it's okay for Trump not to address it. Something tells me you're a sympathizer.

Sheep follow other sheep. I never said that I agree with what the alt rights agenda is or their beliefs. I did in fact state that what they did was wrong as is what the left did. If you want to go out and counter protest then do so, if you want to go out and start a fight than be prepared for people to fight back. Hitting that woman with a car is wrong, driving through the crowd is wrong unless they were impeding his vehicle and banging on it like I have seen in the past. I dont know if that was the case and Im not saying it was, just giving a scenario in which I would run people over. 

 

Its not Trumps job to denounce organizations or endorse them, what I am saying is that for starters the alt right protesters arent fully at fault in those riots. Regardless of your belief or dissagreance with the message, they have the right to protest just like anyone else. Let them do it and you wont have an issue, if they then go to your protest and dont let you then they would be at fault.

Any day now, huh? 

These people came to this gathering with torches, shields and riot gear. They came looking for a fight and ended it by running their detractors over. That car was not being overrun with protesters, it was a clear shot from that street into the crowd with no one on the hood, so that's bullshit. The rally was called off, and some maniac got pissed and thought he'd take one for the team. There is no justification for what he did. Even if you got into a fistfight with someone, ending it with vehicular homicide is not a defense.

If they have the right to protest their hate and antagonize people, then they shouldn't be surprised at the response it gets. These people's sole purpose in life to oppress and/or destroy non-whites. Their endgame is already violent in nature. There is no middle ground to what happened here.



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ratuscafoarterea on 15 August 2017
SpokenTruth said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

Actually, that's why you have the state for, you know , the police, the army, the goverment.

And how good of a job have they done?  And it's worse when they are part of that oppressing factor. 

What I was saying is that to decide what is right or wrong, you have the law, you have the state protecting its citizens.  Anyone can start a new organization like antifa and proclaim that they are all in to be the good guys and that they should be above the law (because that’s what you are implying), but that would be anarchy. Just because they are calling themselves anti fascists, doesn’t mean that they have the right to harm other people, riot, and kill free speech.  



RJ_Sizzle on 15 August 2017
Superman4 said:
RJ_Sizzle said:

You're confusing the term, "historically black college" with "blacks only college". Do you know why there are historically black colleges? Because blacks in the south weren't allowed to attend while schools. They had to come up with a solution to educate their own so they could farm and teach and spread knowledge to the community so they wouldn't be kept in the dark. Also, historically black colleges are not made so white people can't attend them. White people, as much as any race are very much allowed. They welcome it. These are high-tuition institutions. 

II’m not confusing them and I am fully aware of their origin. My point is that they are no longer needed and continuing to use them and advertise them as such is discrimination and racism. Continuing down that path only fuels racism, it doesn’t prevent it.

 

Well if you're offended by the term "historically black college", then maybe, oh, I don't know, not have a system in place that allowed them to have to happen in the first place. Racism begat these institutions. Which is moot anyway since anyone can attend them. Let's face it, a lot of people complaining about it won't attend anyway because of their own prejudices.



AngryLittleAlchemist on 15 August 2017
SpokenTruth said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
What does Alt right even mean? Before it was popular I thought it meant libertarian conservative like Sargon of Akkad, now it seems like a synonym for racist

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

The alt-right, or alternative right, is a loosely defined group of people with far-right ideologies who reject mainstream conservatism in favor of white nationalism, principally in the United States, but also to a lesser degree in Canada and Europe.

Wow, I guess i'm just dumb 



VGPolyglot on 15 August 2017

Well guys, with my warning here, I think my time in this thread has come to an end. It's evident that nothing's going to get accomplished from my staying here, as it's just going to keep going in circles with me and the people I was arguing with.



ratuscafoarterea on 15 August 2017
SpokenTruth said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

What I was saying is that to decide what is right or wrong, you have the law, you have the state protecting its citizens.  Anyone can start a new organization like antifa and proclaim that they are all in to be the good guys and that they should be above the law (because that’s what you are implying), but that would be anarchy. Just because they are calling themselves anti fascists, doesn’t mean that they have the right to harm other people, riot, and kill free speech. 

I'm not implying they are above you the law. You just want to me to imply that so you'd have a counter argument.  Did I not just way a moment ago that inciting violence was not OK? 

No, they don't have the right to harm other people.  They do have the right to riot (protest).  And they are not killing free speech which I assume you mean the first amendment of the Constitution which is about the government not limiting what you say. You might want to research that....though being a Romanian in Canada, I don't blame you for not knowing the specifics on it.  Just know that the whole free speech thing is about the government limiting speech and has nothing to do with individuals or businesses limiting speech.

Yes you did implied, when you’ve said that the state doesn’t make a good job protecting its citizens from racism/harm.

I think you don’t know the meaning of riot, since you say that “Did I not just way a moment ago that inciting violence was not OK” and then you contradict yourself … “They do have the right to riot (protest).”. And that’s very strange, considering I’m “Romanian in Canada” and you’re a Brit, wouldn’t you supposed to know what riot means?