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ratuscafoarterea said:
CGI-Quality said:

Help me understand what this means.

Let me put it on my gypsy English ....

blacks don't make enough babies ….. their numbers are in decline …

Technically it is going up, 14.5% share of the population in 2016.....Share wise it is lower than for example in 1800 but that's a different reason.






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NATO said:
VGPolyglot said:

So, using violence for self-defense isn't justifiable?

You are conflating self defense with violence comitted based purely on difference of beliefs/opinion.

Attacking someone for their they believe in, however fucked up it may be to you, isn't the same as defending yourself from physical harm, and you know this, so your line of questioning is a strawman.

So then, shouldn't you be condemning this, instead of just saying that they're a waste of oxygen?



Soundwave said:
o_O.Q said:

 

my point was that beliefs and mindsets change through dialogue primarily in our current era and yes alternatively they are changed through violence, but that leads me to asking as i did before - what violent methods are you advoctaing to be used against white supremacists?

 

if you aren't advocting for violence against white supremacists, what options are you left with?

Sometimes violence is justified. I don't like violence, I'd rather it not be the case, but we don't live in a non-violent world of lollipops and rainbows either. That is a cartoon, that is not real life. 

I am perfectly fine with very large counter-protests that show very clearly to their ilk that they and their ideas are not welcome. 

so what violent methods are you advocating for to reduce racism?



CGI-Quality said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

Really, what is so offensive? From what I've read the number of black Americans is in decline.

How you worded it certainly was. However, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt - where did you read this?

On some article, I think it was USAtoday, my impresion was that East Indians, Asians and Hispanics are going up, whites and blaks are going down in numbers .



Soundwave said:
Nymeria said:

I never said it was new.  

It is cultivated when people have worldviews reinforced.  You will likely always have a certain percentage of extremists, but as a society you can foster discussion that dulls or reduces it, or you can stoke and strengthen it.  I think modern media has pushed for the latter over the former for profits.

The media is an easy scapegoat to take blame off people. I'm sorry but if you're a Nazi/KKK or even a sympathizer of said group to even a moderate degree ... the problem is that person's own shitty moral compass, not the news or that mommy didn't hug them enough or 1000 other things. 

We make our choices in life, our character is a reflection of those choices. 

 

people choose the environment they are raised in?



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o_O.Q said:
Soundwave said:

Sometimes violence is justified. I don't like violence, I'd rather it not be the case, but we don't live in a non-violent world of lollipops and rainbows either. That is a cartoon, that is not real life. 

I am perfectly fine with very large counter-protests that show very clearly to their ilk that they and their ideas are not welcome. 

so what violent methods are you advocating for to reduce racism?

I'm not advocating for violence, I am saying we live in a violent world. Pretending we don't doesn't make it so. 

We live in 2017, not 2217. And while we have made a lot of progress there is a lot of progress left and will not all be done in our lifetime. Because life doesn't give a fuck about our feelings and operates on its own time table. 



WolfpackN64 said:
The police should have never allowed both protests to occur. It was pretty clear from the onset the marchers weren't going to be cuddly, level headed people who wanted a democratic discussion.

But the protest was peaceful until the guy hit drove a car into the ground.



NATO said:
VGPolyglot said:

So then, shouldn't you be condemning this, instead of just saying that they're a waste of oxygen?

Probably yes, but I am also free to express my opinion that what both sides are doing is a waste of time and that those doing it are a waste of oxygen.
The supremacists for even existing, and the counter-protestors for engaging in conflict with them rather than discourse.

Conflict has never, in the history of humanity, lead to peace, it has only ever bred further conflict either in direct response or planted the seeds for a future resurgence.


lol, what history books have you been reading?

I guess Hitler should've just allowed to have all of Europe and North Africa before politely engaging him over tea and crumpets that he was being bit of an asshole and things would've resolved just like that? 



You see, I'm sort of torn on this story.

I believe the message of White Lives matter (as a white male) is dumb, and I think it IS dumb across all spectrums in politics. Why? Everyone has equal rights according to the law to this day. However, whether it's BLM or these White Supremacist groups, I believe they have the right to protest their beliefs according to the first amendment. Whether you think their comments are stupid and offensive, everyone should be heard out, and you can make your own assessment from there to further strengthen your beliefs.

However, violence is never the answer. I am as disgusted at this as I was Baltimore, Milwaukee, Charlotte, and Portland in my lifetime (I acknowledge the KKK did horrible things that I stand against, I just haven't lived to experience it, thus my examples are ones in recent memory).

I belief these groups have the right to protest under the First Ammendment, but violence MUST be condemned.