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barneystinson69 said:
Soundwave said:

He won't say it decisively because it's a voter bloc for him. Don't kid yourself here. 

Every other president, including Republican presidents like Bush and Reagan would have loudly condemned white supremasists with no ambiguity. 

Trump may eventually do it, only because he may eventually be shamed into doing so. In many ways Trump is worse than the racists IMO. 

A racist is usually an idiot who has learned hatred of other people on the basis of skin pigment. 

Trump knowingly manipulates said situation for his own personal gain. Which is of the two is worse? 

How much of a voting bloc? I really don't think there are enough white supremicists to change an election result. Yes, these people are pieces of shit, and if it is confirmed that a white supremicist drove that car into those people, it should be considered a terrorist attack by the president.

There are enough people who quietly share these views to give him a healthy voter bloc, and lets not forget he lost the popular vote and barely eeked out victories in swing states, so every voter bloc matters. They are a shrinking portion of the voter base, but they're still there for now. 

He will only acknowledge this as a terrorist attack if he is pressured into doing so, right now he would like to have this situation probably go away. Diet (wink wink/hush hush) racism works well for him, but when racism is shown it's full force, people realize how ugly it is and no one wants to be associated with *that* kind of racism. 

Playing the "all sides" card lets him tip toe the line while winking at white supremasists "see? I'm your guy, I didn't directly condemn you guys, it's all sides". The language is deliberate. Now there may come a point where he is eventually shamed into saying what he should say now as a leader, but likely he's hoping right now that this just blows over so he doesn't have to. 



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CGI-Quality said:
barneystinson69 said:

Unfortunently, the group still has people who take part in violence. Neither group should exist in any fabric... but I hope America realizes that eventually.

That still doesn't mean that they, as a group, promote violence. The KKK lived and breathed it, which is a shame, because the origins of the Klan were not built around that. However, that's what it became. BLM does not have a legacy like that, and as noted, its current leaders do not advocate for violence. So the two groups are vastly different in their meaning and message.

The Klan started in the segregationist South in the early 20th century to promote the continued marginalization of blacks. It has always been a hateful group of people, and those who are involved should be ashamed of themselves. Like I said, BLM has fringes in it that are involved in violence. The leaders don't have to promote it to see it spread. Like I said, I won't support a group like because because they have been involved in shaddy shit (also, blacks aren't the only group to face violence in the US, I mean latinos have it almost as bad).



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NATO said:
Lafiel said:

are you saying white people get no roles anymore? because that would be utter nonsense

I am saying that modern media seem more than happy these days to lump the blame on "white people" as a generalized group, and whether or not doing so is justified makes little difference, the end result is the same, most people would just roll their eyes and move on, but radicalized people such as white supremacists do not, thus the media perpetuates the rift between races.

VGPolyglot said:

Ah yes, because the most effective protest is one held in one's own basement. Let me tell you, just ignoring something's not going to make it go away. Just ignoring the Nazis and their build-up, while avoiding confronting them, did nothing.

Are you saying the only possible alternative to protesting is to "do nothing" ?

That is flat out wrong, the only real way to dismantle sexism and racism and discrimination based on gender, sexuality, race or religious belief, is through education and debate.

Sitting at home and doing nothing is neither education nor debate.

Racists aren't going to stop being racist by people shouting "Racist!" at them, just as men who objectify women aren't going to suddenly decide "I think i'll start respecting women now" if a womens group with their tits out march past them with slogans painted on their bodies.

A large portion of humanity are a lost cause when it comes to the ism's we mostly attribute to being a detriment to society, and rather than focus time and energy in shouting at them for existing, that energy, time, and money would be better spent educating new generations not to follow suit.

The goal is not to "convert" racists. The goal is to show them that there is a large majority that opposes them and will oppose their ideas every step of the way. I don't give two fucks about converting a Nazi shit head. Real life is not a debate club.



NATO said:

Are you saying the only possible alternative to protesting is to "do nothing" ?

That is flat out wrong, the only real way to dismantle sexism and racism and discrimination based on gender, sexuality, race or religious belief, is through education and debate.

Sitting at home and doing nothing is neither education nor debate.

Racists aren't going to stop being racist by people shouting "Racist!" at them, just as men who objectify women aren't going to suddenly decide "I think i'll start respecting women now" if a womens group with their tits out march past them with slogans painted on their bodies.

A large portion of humanity are a lost cause when it comes to the ism's we mostly attribute to being a detriment to society, and rather than focus time and energy in shouting at them for existing, that energy, time, and money would be better spent educating new generations not to follow suit.

The goal is not really to change their views, as you said they may be a lost cause. The goal is to ostracize them to prevent them from spreading their views. Stopping the spread of it is what's important.



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The police should have never allowed both protests to occur. It was pretty clear from the onset the marchers weren't going to be cuddly, level headed people who wanted a democratic discussion.



Soundwave said:
barneystinson69 said:

How much of a voting bloc? I really don't think there are enough white supremicists to change an election result. Yes, these people are pieces of shit, and if it is confirmed that a white supremicist drove that car into those people, it should be considered a terrorist attack by the president.

There are enough people who quietly share these views to give him a healthy voter bloc, and lets not forget he lost the popular vote and barely eeked out victories in swing states, so every voter bloc matters. They are a shrinking portion of the voter base, but they're still there for now. 

He will only acknowledge this as a terrorist attack if he is pressured into doing so, right now he would like to have this situation probably go away. Diet (wink wink/hush hush) racism works well for him, but when racism is shown it's full force, people realize how ugly it is and no one wants to be associated with *that* kind of racism. 

Playing the "all sides" card lets him tip toe the line while winking at white supremasists "see? I'm your guy, I didn't directly condemn you guys, it's all sides". The language is deliberate. Now there may come a point where he is eventually shamed into saying what he should say now as a leader, but likely he's hoping right now that this just blows over so he doesn't have to. 

77,000 voters in three states. In that case, there are probably millions of these people around America. The KKK barely has 1000s of people in its group, so there no, these people didn't win him the election. 



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

Soundwave said:
barneystinson69 said:

How much of a voting bloc? I really don't think there are enough white supremicists to change an election result. Yes, these people are pieces of shit, and if it is confirmed that a white supremicist drove that car into those people, it should be considered a terrorist attack by the president.

There are enough people who quietly share these views to give him a healthy voter bloc, and lets not forget he lost the popular vote and barely eeked out victories in swing states, so every voter bloc matters. 

He will only acknowledge this as a terrorist attack if he is pressured into doing so, right now he would like to have this situation probably go away. Diet (wink wink/hush hush) racism works well for him, but when racism is shown it's full force, people realize how ugly it is and no one wants to be associated with *that* kind of racism. 

Playing the "all sides" card lets him tip toe the line while winking at white supremasists "see? I'm your guy, I didn't directly condemn you guys, it's all sides". The language is deliberate. Now there may come a point where he is eventually shamed into saying what he should say now as a leader, but likely he's hoping right now that this just blows over so he doesn't have to. 

What are you on about? If any of that crap was true, obama wouldn't have gotten into office twice. Trump has been speaking against the actions of that nutjob and the protestors in general. You're just trying to lump trump in with white supremacists while this a hot topic.



barneystinson69 said:
Soundwave said:

There are enough people who quietly share these views to give him a healthy voter bloc, and lets not forget he lost the popular vote and barely eeked out victories in swing states, so every voter bloc matters. They are a shrinking portion of the voter base, but they're still there for now. 

He will only acknowledge this as a terrorist attack if he is pressured into doing so, right now he would like to have this situation probably go away. Diet (wink wink/hush hush) racism works well for him, but when racism is shown it's full force, people realize how ugly it is and no one wants to be associated with *that* kind of racism. 

Playing the "all sides" card lets him tip toe the line while winking at white supremasists "see? I'm your guy, I didn't directly condemn you guys, it's all sides". The language is deliberate. Now there may come a point where he is eventually shamed into saying what he should say now as a leader, but likely he's hoping right now that this just blows over so he doesn't have to. 

77,000 voters in three states. In that case, there are probably millions of these people around America. The KKK barely has 1000s of people in its group, so there no, these people didn't win him the election. 

Closet racists I'm pretty sure were a fair size of his voter bloc, it doesn't have to be outright KKK members. And yes, thankfully they are a shrinking minority who lose ground, in 15 years if Trump tried the same strategy he would lose soundly even against an uncharismatic bore like Hilary. 



Hiku said:
barneystinson69 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KgTosyPGqY

Beginning of the video. He has denounced these groups before.

I'm aware that he has done that as well.
After all, he is the guy who was on every side of practically every issue. He plays both sides. And that's why he at times avoids denouncing these things, at least for a while, and then he goes out and does it to appease to the rest of the voters, and because he knows that his alt right/nazi supporters know that he is basically forced to do so as it is expected of him. But those days when he doesn't denounce it, and when he suggests they may be good people, they take note of that.

Because we don't know who drove the car! You can't denounce something when we don't know the end result. What if (even if it is a slim possibility) that the person driving the car isn't even white? What he did during the campaign and as president are two very different things. This tactic was employed by Obama during his term, and we didn't constantly hear people bitching at him because of that. 



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).