Cyran said:
I disagree with your conclusion. You can believe that a agreed upon pattern of behavior that should be exhibited by all individuals in the group is the best way to have a healthy, functional,succesful society without making any moral judgement about the behaviors them selves. It could be purely a practical belief of studying the sucess of many forms of government and comming to a conclusion that for the long term survival of the society, socialism would be the best solution. The idear that eventurally if the gap between the top and the bottom gets to large there will be revoulution which threatened the long term health of the society and that socilism is the idear method to pervent such a outcome. Again not a moral decision but a decision about what is best for the long term health of the society. You can debate wheather that true or not but it not a debate about morality it a debate about the best form of government for a socity. Which might not always be the same base on history of that society. You cant change the behaviors and thinking of a large group of people overnight which could affect the idear form of government at any given time. As for the orginal question I dont believe people are born good or evil but rather our natural instinct is tribal in nature. More specifically survial of what we view as our tribe. Which is shaped as we grow up by the society we live in for what that means. For example some people believe it morally wrong to kill except in self defense. Other believe that something like the death penality is perferctly moral way to protect society from those who has done it wrong. It comes down to what you believe is best for the survial of the "tibe". |
"You can believe that a agreed upon pattern of behavior that should be exhibited by all individuals in the group is the best way to have a healthy, functional,succesful society without making any moral judgement about the behaviors them selves."
what you typed here is inherently contradictory because all morality is about is the best patterns of behavior for society and the point i'm making is if someone is bringing a relativistic view to that, then they cannot be a socialist
anyone who really believes that is deeply confused about what socialism and morality are
"The idear that eventurally if the gap between the top and the bottom gets to large there will be revoulution which threatened the long term health of the society and that socilism is the idear method to pervent such a outcome."
tell that to germany of the 1930s and 40s
"You can debate wheather that true or not but it not a debate about morality it a debate about the best form of government for a socity. "
and you think that you can divorce morality from governance for some reason?







