Yes.
If you demand respect or gratitude for your volunteer work, you're doing volunteering wrong.
Yes.
If you demand respect or gratitude for your volunteer work, you're doing volunteering wrong.
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| OdinHades said: Yes. https://www.pcgamesn.com/how-why-and-when-vr-will-fail |
So many arguments have already fallen flat, and plenty new games and headsets are on the way. But sure, keep comparing it to the 90's! Anyway the sooner the cash in semi games/experiences run out of favor the better.
Personally I was expecting a way worse experience than I got with psvr, and I'm still playing nightly 9 months later, while eagerly checking the weekly new releases. Playing on a screen feels very restrictive now, when I turn my head I can't seen the screen, wth kinda primitive nonsense is that!
For vr nay sayers :)
Gaming on a screen in a nutshell.
SvennoJ said:
So many arguments have already fallen flat, and plenty new games and headsets are on the way. But sure, keep comparing it to the 90's! Anyway the sooner the cash in semi games/experiences run out of favor the better. |
I also love VR, don't get me wrong. But it's still a niche and it will always be a niche. Most people simply don't care about it and it's too much of a hassle. With the last iteration of headsets, the manufacturers obviously expected a much higher success. There were dreams about everyone and their mother using VR for Facebook and whatnot. Now some time later we see that even gamers care little about it and the most successful headsets, the mobile ones, barely sell more than 2 million a year. It failed at the mass market miserably and that is not going to change anytime soon. Because of that, developers are turned off. There is just no money to be made with VR. Developing games is expensive as fuck and the install base is a joke. Ports of old games like Skyrim and patches for some existing games is all there is to it.
Many folks don't like the comparison between VR and 3D. And I know why. 3D actually sold better. Much better. So, while I'm looking forward to play Fallout 4 in VR and really really adore Elite Dangerous in VR, I still won't give in to the imagination that VR is some kind of game changer.
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Errorist76 said:
It's obvious you haven't really tried it. VR is never going away and will just be an exciting edition to an otherwise grown stale gaming market.
I agree on all your points. I don't even know why people are worrying when Sony has sold about each and every one they can produce. It will never be a mass market thing until the price goes way down. That said a 100,- price drop before Christmas plus a Pro for 350,- could tempt a lot of people to buy one. People continue to be amazed by mine and there is enough software to warrant a sale already. Most people simply don't want to spent all that money on something that will probably be replaced in 2-3 years already. That said, as someone already said...GTS and Skyrim/Fallout could definitely change that. I only think one thing is missing still....Sony needs a more sophisticated Move replacement as soon as possible or movement in games will be limited due to the lack of thumb sticks. |
but pretty much everything in the tech world will be replaced in 2-3 years. Hell most things are replaced inside a year. Consoles and their accessories have amazingly long lives compared to most tech.
I am Iron Man
I bought my PSVR the day it came out. I love it... But I haven't touched it in a while. I disconnected it one day and never got around to reconnecting it. I have a lot of good games but limited time.
Anyway, I constantly see people say "Sony can't produce enough to keep up with demand!" and maybe that's true. I have one because I'm pretty hardcore but I often wonder "Is there demand?"
You don't hear about it. People don't talk about it. There's no synergy. Even the people I used to amaze with it don't ask to play with it when they come over. I bought a Vita on day one, too. I got a lot of enjoyment from it but I never lied to myself and pretended it was a huge success even though it deserved to be. I won't do that with the PSVR, either.
Great tech. Great experience. I got what I wanted but I wonder if it's what a substantial amount of people want.
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d21lewis said: |
I was the same way until about a month ago. I had unplugged it and left it unplugged for a while. But there have been a lot of good games coming out lately and I've been enjoying it a lot.
As far as whether it's a success, I think that comes down to expectations. If Sony expected to sell 2 million and they sold 1 million, that's a failure. But if they expected to sell 500k and they sell a million, that's a success for them internally. If it's a success internally, support will more than likely continue because they planned on supporting it even if it didn't do as well as it did.
Bet with Adamblaziken:
I bet that on launch the Nintendo Switch will have no built in in-game voice chat. He bets that it will. The winner gets six months of avatar control over the other user.
It's an accessory lol, why would you expect it to get the full support of a normal console?

| OdinHades said: I also love VR, don't get me wrong. But it's still a niche and it will always be a niche. Most people simply don't care about it and it's too much of a hassle. With the last iteration of headsets, the manufacturers obviously expected a much higher success. There were dreams about everyone and their mother using VR for Facebook and whatnot. Now some time later we see that even gamers care little about it and the most successful headsets, the mobile ones, barely sell more than 2 million a year. It failed at the mass market miserably and that is not going to change anytime soon. Because of that, developers are turned off. There is just no money to be made with VR. Developing games is expensive as fuck and the install base is a joke. Ports of old games like Skyrim and patches for some existing games is all there is to it. Many folks don't like the comparison between VR and 3D. And I know why. 3D actually sold better. Much better. So, while I'm looking forward to play Fallout 4 in VR and really really adore Elite Dangerous in VR, I still won't give in to the imagination that VR is some kind of game changer. |
I think VR will follow a path like PC gaming. VR now is where PC gaming was in the eighties. Interesting yet falling way short to consoles in price, quality and ease of use while the idea of having arcade level game experience at home was quickly crushed. PCs were a niche back then, glorified typewriters that still needed an expensive peripheral to print out your work. Yet it stuck around ofcourse and slowly grew to hapilly exist along console gaming as equals. I just hope it doesn't take 3 decades with VR to get there.
The problems VR faces atm are all that, expensive, not easy to set up and use, and games look simple compared to juicy 4K screenshot games. It's kind of an inflated bubble atm with the rate new headsets are announced and perhaps we'll get a VR crash at some point, but I don't think it will disappear again. Competition is good, driving innovation and refinements.
The comparison to 3D is flawed. 3D doesn't work that well on a small screen. It still doesn't work that well in VR due to fixed perspective. I tried watching Tangled and Prometheus on PSVR. While the resolution is fine for that, the fixed perspective ruins it. I didn't watch more than 10 minutes of either, the crappy static 3D effect is not worth wearing any glasses for. (3D left me unimpressed in the cinema as well)
Ofcourse it doesn't help that 360 videos are the first thing many people experience in VR. And if Heroes of the seven seas (I just played the psvr port) is any indication of the quality of games on Gear VR I understand why it will leave people uninterested after a few tries.
Anyway it's a game changer for me and I love experiencing where it's going. For now PSVR still has more interesting games on offer and in the pipeline than I have time for. The way it's going only Mario Odyssey will have a chance to get the headset off :)