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Turkish said:
potato_hamster said:

It's pretty obvious what my argument has been this entire time. I've said it repeatedly. Somehow,you are having a hard time reading what I and others wrote and actually extracting the meaning of those words and undertstanding that text. It's as if you can't comprehend the notion that you're wrong so you perform these mental gynastics to skew these arguments into something they're not so you can dismiss them without consideration.

This whole thread can be summed up in a few bullet points

  • Turkish has a bad idea, decides to share it with the internet
  • The internet points out to Turkish that it is a bad idea and why
  • Turkish doesn't understand how it's not the best idea ever, and argues against points the internet didn't make, makes more claims to support his idea, even though he has absolutely no evidence to support them other than "Sony is an industry giant", and throws around buzz words he learned in high school economics class like "economies of scale" in order to try and assert his own credibility when all it really does it embarass him.
  • The internet points out the glaring holes in Turkish's arguments
  • Turkish keeps arguing against points the internet still hasn't made and keeps embarassing himself

So you agree your only purpose here was to shitpost and derail the thread. It's creepy how much you care about what I can propose Sony to sell me. It's not for you to decide whether the idea is good or bad. Certainly not someone like you who hasn't shown he has technical knowledge about these matters. For example, starting from your first claim, you can not claim the retro market is niche, what study did you do to come to that conclusion? You've only shown me that you have too much time on your hands that you rather spend on internet arguments.

I can sum this thread with only 1 sentence: Potato hamster gets triggered about OP's idea and bores OP to death with his long winded posts about how the idea is bad with assumptions that it's too costly for Sony and the Nintendo approach is the only way to go about it.

Lol. If you go out of this that my purpose was to shitpost and derail the thread, then you really, really need to work on your reading comprehension skills. That is not what I was doing. At all.

Now you're just being a giant hypocrite, and trying to hold others to a higher standard than you're willing to hold yourself to. What technical knowledge do you have on these matters? Let's find out.

Show me your "technical knowledge". Give me a bill of matierals for such a device. Since I know you don't know what that is, I'll inform you. Give me a list of every single part Sony would need to make this PS1 classic you want in 2017. Tell me how much it would cost them to acquire the necessary parts from the suppliers, tell me which parts they wouldn't be able to buy and would have to manufacture themselves, and how much those would cost to make. Tell me how much they would have to spend in developing PCBs, and how much they would cost to mass produce. Tell me how much it would cost them to get the tooling done in the factories to assemble and package these devices. Tell me how much Sony would have to spend in R&D developing things like the operating system, PCBs, PSN interface, controller interfaces, better upscalers, game testing etc. that would be needed for this device. Please, go ahead and break it all down, and tell the world what kind of margin Sony can expect to make on such a device if they sold it at $99 which you claim they should easily be able to do.

Bonus questions: Tell me how much Sony would save per unit if they would to create 10 million of these vs 1 million, since you're so familiar with "Economies of Scale". 

Put up, or shut up.



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AsGryffynn said:
So basically, everything the Vita should have been, I get it...

This is everything the Vita already is, besides the game disc player.



So you want perfect upscaling worth 350$, but I assume you on't want to pay that much for a hypothetical PS1 classic?
Dont get me wrong, Iike the Idea, but at that point you might be better served with a HD modded PS1.

Me personally. I'd like an all digital approach with access to the whole PS1 library via PSN. Quality upscaling would be nice.



potato_hamster said:
Turkish said:

So you agree your only purpose here was to shitpost and derail the thread. It's creepy how much you care about what I can propose Sony to sell me. It's not for you to decide whether the idea is good or bad. Certainly not someone like you who hasn't shown he has technical knowledge about these matters. For example, starting from your first claim, you can not claim the retro market is niche, what study did you do to come to that conclusion? You've only shown me that you have too much time on your hands that you rather spend on internet arguments.

I can sum this thread with only 1 sentence: Potato hamster gets triggered about OP's idea and bores OP to death with his long winded posts about how the idea is bad with assumptions that it's too costly for Sony and the Nintendo approach is the only way to go about it.

Lol. If you go out of this that my purpose was to shitpost and derail the thread, then you really, really need to work on your reading comprehension skills. That is not what I was doing. At all.

Now you're just being a giant hypocrite, and trying to hold others to a higher standard than you're willing to hold yourself to. What technical knowledge do you have on these matters? Let's find out.

Show me your "technical knowledge". Give me a bill of matierals for such a device. Since I know you don't know what that is, I'll inform you. Give me a list of every single part Sony would need to make this PS1 classic you want in 2017. Tell me how much it would cost them to acquire the necessary parts from the suppliers, tell me which parts they wouldn't be able to buy and would have to manufacture themselves, and how much those would cost to make. Tell me how much they would have to spend in developing PCBs, and how much they would cost to mass produce. Tell me how much it would cost them to get the tooling done in the factories to assemble and package these devices. Tell me how much Sony would have to spend in R&D developing things like the operating system, PCBs, PSN interface, controller interfaces, better upscalers, game testing etc. that would be needed for this device. Please, go ahead and break it all down, and tell the world what kind of margin Sony can expect to make on such a device if they sold it at $99 which you claim they should easily be able to do.

Bonus questions: Tell me how much Sony would save per unit if they would to create 10 million of these vs 1 million, since you're so familiar with "Economies of Scale". 

Put up, or shut up.

"Give me a bill of matierals"

YOU need to give me a BoM, you made the claim an industrial giant like Sony can't make the console I want for a decent price. The onus is on you to prove your ridiculous claim.

Give me a list of every single part Sony would need to make this PS1 classic in 2017. Tell me how much it would cost them to acquire the necessary parts from the suppliers, tell me which parts they wouldn't be able to buy and would have to manufacture themselves, and how much those would cost to make. Tell me how much they would have to spend in developing PCBs, and how much they would cost to mass produce. Tell me how much it would cost them to get the tooling done in the factories to assemble and package these devices. Tell me how much Sony would have to spend in R&D developing things like the operating system, PCBs, PSN interface, controller interfaces, better upscalers, game testing etc. that would be needed for this device. Please, go ahead and break it all down, and tell the world what kind of margin Sony can expect to make on such a device if they sold it at $99.

"Since I know you don't know what that is"

Is it so hard to debate like a civilized human being? From the beginning you've been shitting on this thread with your assumptions, lies, deceit and your deplorable conduct. "Carry on folks nothing to see here" to the "your ideas are bad" just because you don't like it is nothing but classic shitposting. I don't need this arrogance in my thread, you need to be able to deal with people who have different opinions than you, and if you can't, express yourself accordingly or better yet: don't post.



Turkish said:
potato_hamster said:

Lol. If you go out of this that my purpose was to shitpost and derail the thread, then you really, really need to work on your reading comprehension skills. That is not what I was doing. At all.

Now you're just being a giant hypocrite, and trying to hold others to a higher standard than you're willing to hold yourself to. What technical knowledge do you have on these matters? Let's find out.

Show me your "technical knowledge". Give me a bill of matierals for such a device. Since I know you don't know what that is, I'll inform you. Give me a list of every single part Sony would need to make this PS1 classic you want in 2017. Tell me how much it would cost them to acquire the necessary parts from the suppliers, tell me which parts they wouldn't be able to buy and would have to manufacture themselves, and how much those would cost to make. Tell me how much they would have to spend in developing PCBs, and how much they would cost to mass produce. Tell me how much it would cost them to get the tooling done in the factories to assemble and package these devices. Tell me how much Sony would have to spend in R&D developing things like the operating system, PCBs, PSN interface, controller interfaces, better upscalers, game testing etc. that would be needed for this device. Please, go ahead and break it all down, and tell the world what kind of margin Sony can expect to make on such a device if they sold it at $99 which you claim they should easily be able to do.

Bonus questions: Tell me how much Sony would save per unit if they would to create 10 million of these vs 1 million, since you're so familiar with "Economies of Scale". 

Put up, or shut up.

"Give me a bill of matierals"

YOU need to give me a BoM, you made the claim an industrial giant like Sony can't make the console I want for a decent price. The onus is on you to prove your ridiculous claim.

Give me a list of every single part Sony would need to make this PS1 classic in 2017. Tell me how much it would cost them to acquire the necessary parts from the suppliers, tell me which parts they wouldn't be able to buy and would have to manufacture themselves, and how much those would cost to make. Tell me how much they would have to spend in developing PCBs, and how much they would cost to mass produce. Tell me how much it would cost them to get the tooling done in the factories to assemble and package these devices. Tell me how much Sony would have to spend in R&D developing things like the operating system, PCBs, PSN interface, controller interfaces, better upscalers, game testing etc. that would be needed for this device. Please, go ahead and break it all down, and tell the world what kind of margin Sony can expect to make on such a device if they sold it at $99.

"Since I know you don't know what that is"

Is it so hard to debate like a civilized human being? From the beginning you've been shitting on this thread with your assumptions, lies, deceit and your deplorable conduct. "Carry on folks nothing to see here" to the "your ideas are bad" just because you don't like it is nothing but classic shitposting. I don't need this arrogance in my thread, you need to be able to deal with people who have different opinions than you, and if you can't, express yourself accordingly or better yet: don't post.

Ohh okay, so I need to prove your claims aren't true? You can just claim whatever you want, and it's true until someone proves otherwise?

Nope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

I'm sure it comes as a surprise to nobody that you're arguing from ignorance.

So you think it's going to cost $99-$149? Go ahead. You made a hard claim. Back it up. Sony being an "industry giant" isn't going to save you from your nonsense.

I'll say it again. Put up, or shut up.



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potato_hamster said:
Turkish said:

"Give me a bill of matierals"

YOU need to give me a BoM, you made the claim an industrial giant like Sony can't make the console I want for a decent price. The onus is on you to prove your ridiculous claim.

Give me a list of every single part Sony would need to make this PS1 classic in 2017. Tell me how much it would cost them to acquire the necessary parts from the suppliers, tell me which parts they wouldn't be able to buy and would have to manufacture themselves, and how much those would cost to make. Tell me how much they would have to spend in developing PCBs, and how much they would cost to mass produce. Tell me how much it would cost them to get the tooling done in the factories to assemble and package these devices. Tell me how much Sony would have to spend in R&D developing things like the operating system, PCBs, PSN interface, controller interfaces, better upscalers, game testing etc. that would be needed for this device. Please, go ahead and break it all down, and tell the world what kind of margin Sony can expect to make on such a device if they sold it at $99.

"Since I know you don't know what that is"

Is it so hard to debate like a civilized human being? From the beginning you've been shitting on this thread with your assumptions, lies, deceit and your deplorable conduct. "Carry on folks nothing to see here" to the "your ideas are bad" just because you don't like it is nothing but classic shitposting. I don't need this arrogance in my thread, you need to be able to deal with people who have different opinions than you, and if you can't, express yourself accordingly or better yet: don't post.

Ohh okay, so I need to prove your claims aren't true? You can just claim whatever you want, and it's true until someone proves otherwise?

Nope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

I'm sure it comes as a surprise to nobody that you're arguing from ignorance.

So you think it's going to cost $99-$149? Go ahead. You made a hard claim. Back it up. Sony being an "industry giant" isn't going to save you from your nonsense.

I'll say it again. Put up, or shut up.

I don't need to prove anything, I only made a concept of what I want, it's just a hope from my end. Don't you still get it, what is this thread about. When you make claims that they can never do it, the onus is on YOU to prove they can't. You're the one who makes assumptions and claims, I only said Sony is big, they have the means, they have the resources, so it's within the realm of possibility they can execute my proposal.



It's called a Raspberry Pi, and its awesome.  



Turkish said:
potato_hamster said:

Ohh okay, so I need to prove your claims aren't true? You can just claim whatever you want, and it's true until someone proves otherwise?

Nope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

I'm sure it comes as a surprise to nobody that you're arguing from ignorance.

So you think it's going to cost $99-$149? Go ahead. You made a hard claim. Back it up. Sony being an "industry giant" isn't going to save you from your nonsense.

I'll say it again. Put up, or shut up.

I don't need to prove anything, I only made a concept of what I want, it's just a hope from my end. Don't you still get it, what is this thread about. When you make claims that they can never do it, the onus is on YOU to prove they can't. You're the one who makes assumptions and claims, I only said Sony is big, they have the means, they have the resources, so it's within the realm of possibility they can execute my proposal.

How come you don't ever need to prove anything and you expect me to prove claims that I never actually made? I never once claimed they can't actually make the device you want. You keep making up imaginary statements I never actually said, and telling me off for being ridiculous for making these claims I never actually made. You've done it numerous times in this thread, and this is yet another example.

Try and duck it all you wan't.

You claim they can make this device and sell it to the consumer for $99-$149.  Prove it. Put up, or shut up.



potato_hamster said:
AsGryffynn said:
So basically, everything the Vita should have been, I get it...

This is everything the Vita already is, besides the game disc player.

Two words: Region lock... 



potato_hamster said:
Turkish said:

I don't need to prove anything, I only made a concept of what I want, it's just a hope from my end. Don't you still get it, what is this thread about. When you make claims that they can never do it, the onus is on YOU to prove they can't. You're the one who makes assumptions and claims, I only said Sony is big, they have the means, they have the resources, so it's within the realm of possibility they can execute my proposal.

How come you don't ever need to prove anything and you expect me to prove claims that I never actually made? I never once claimed they can't actually make the device you want. You keep making up imaginary statements I never actually said, and telling me off for being ridiculous for making these claims I never actually made. You've done it numerous times in this thread, and this is yet another example.

Try and duck it all you wan't.

You claim they can make this device and sell it to the consumer for $99-$149.  Prove it. Put up, or shut up.

Because I don't go and shitpost into someone else's wish list thread saying they can't wish it and claiming my word is gospel and he doesn't know anything. You don't need to prove anything either, unless you're arrogant like you've been saying my idea is bad and you're claims are based on facts. If you had been civil about it and respectfully disagreed instead of being arrogant, doubling down how right you were with your essays, it wouldn't have come to this.