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I appreciate the charts but has anyone actually managed to find out exactly what the data criteria is.

Call me old fashioned but my classical education taught me to list all relevant sources underneath the pertinent chart. Otherwise ignore the chart as unreliable.

This chart looks a bit like a classic marketing blindside.

I'll believe the numbers when I know exactly what the numbers mean.



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Cypher1980 said:
I appreciate the charts but has anyone actually managed to find out exactly what the data criteria is.

Call me old fashioned but my classical education taught me to list all relevant sources underneath the pertinent chart. Otherwise ignore the chart as unreliable.

This chart looks a bit like a classic marketing blindside.

I'll believe the numbers when I know exactly what the numbers mean.


Total revenue for each group.   Blu-ray numbers are total Blu-ray revenue for that week, DVD numbers are total DVD revenue for that week,  and Total Packaged Media is the 2 combined. 

So no marketing blindside or BS, this is the money that these 2 formats are bringing in on a weekly basis.  



Vetteman94 said:
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And how expensive will those be in 2012 when, yes, Blu-Ray will have a significant install base and a lot of people will be invested in it?  Will it be time for people to upgrade by then?  Who knows, but I'm thinking no.  Whatever is next will be the true niche high-quality disc, because by then digital download will be much more developed, and can deliver higher quality.  Who knows, maybe some afficianados will jump at them, but to me, I don't see much market for resolutions above 1080p/lossless audio if the discs cost more.

I challenge you to come up with a coherent explanation of why people wouldn't move to higher quality Blu-Ray but WILL move to even higher quality holographic.  Especially when HDTVs only go up to 1080p.  And people even say that unless you have a big set, you don't even need 1080p.  Nope, holographic disc movies will always, always be niche compared to Blu-Ray.  It's an open question whether studios will even produce movies on them. 

 

That's actually my point.  Blu Ray will really have until 2014, because holographic storage will likely be too expensive in 2012.  Blu Ray might havea significant install base, but it might not.  If Blu Ray doesn't, then I think people will be ready for something significantly better than Blu Ray.  We are talking an order of magnitude better than Blu Ray.  Blu Ray is not a whole order of magnitude better than DVD.

I'll admit there is a good chance that Blu Ray will reach 50% market share, and if it does, it will be difficult for a new format.  However, if DVD still has 50% market share by 2014, I think Blu Ray could be pinched into being a niche in-between technology.

lol..I just have to bring up the point.

you do know that Blu-Ray is also an HOLOGRAPHIC disc based technology!

it's over.

if anything the last mainstream optical format for movies will be based on the core technology of disc based format's of DVD

Blu-Ray player's still play DVD's, and what if ever optical format replaces Blu-Ray will still be based on the core technology of DVD, AND STILL PLAY both DVD AND Blu-Ray disc's.

That's if EVER. 

IT'S A MOOT POINT BLU-RAY will never take over DVD

because it was not designed too from the start it was designed to Absorb DVD. the same May happen to Blu-Ray way later down the road

the optical format's still play VCD's, CD's.

its the very same core technology that keep's the other Viable and it make's sure the new technology stay's the standard for year's to come.

So

to keep the point , DVD is going to remain , Blu-ray is going to remain an CD is going to remain

Thus, Blu-ray does not have to "HURRY" up and take over DVD because it WILL Replace DVD anyway because Blu-Ray is also a DVD

BLU-RAY IS ALSO A FORM OF DVD.

IT WAS DESIGNED TO ABSORB DVD RIGHT FROM THE GET GO...NOT REPLACE IT.

because DVD is a standard that there is no need to replace., you just need to make DVD better

and that is what Blu-Ray is a better DVD format.

thus Since ALL BLU-RAY PLAYER'S STILL PLAY THE DVD FORMAT.

BLU-RAY HAS ALREADY DONE WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO FROM THE GET GO.


Blu-ray is not a holographic disc based technology.  Holographic discs uses multiple lasers, I think only 2 currently, focused into one laser to read the disc.   Blu-ray players and readers only have one laser from start to finish.   I would comment on the rest of your post but none of it makes any sense.

umm, yes it is. Its 

as a matter of fact:

HVD is not the only technology in high-capacity, optical storage media. InPhase Technologiesis developing a rival holographic format called Tapestry Media, which they claim will eventually store 1.6 TB with a data transfer rate of 120 MB/s, and several companies are developing TB-level discs based on 3D optical data storage technology. Such large optical storage capacities compete favorably with the Blu-ray Disc format. However, holographic drives are projected to initially cost around US$15,000, and a single disc around US$120–180, although prices are expected to fall steadily.[4] The market for this format is not initially the common consumer, but enterprises with very large storage needs.

he Holographic Versatile Disc (HVD) is an optical disc technology that, in the future, may hold up to 1PB (petabyte) of information, although the current maximum is 10TB. It employs a technique known as collinear holography, whereby two green laser beams are collimated in a single beam. The green laser reads data encoded as laser interference fringes from a holographic layer near the top of the disc. A Blue laser is used same as Blu ray as the reference beam to read servoinformation from a regular CD-style aluminum layer near the bottom. Servoinformation is used to monitor the position of the read head over the disc, similar to the head, track, and sector information on a conventional hard disk drive. On a CD or DVD this servoinformation is interspersed amongst the data.

dichroic mirror layer between the holographic data and the servo data reflects thegreen laser while letting the red laser pass through. This prevents interference from refraction of the green laser off the servo data pits and is an advance over past holographic storage media, which either experienced too much interference, or lacked the servo data entirely, making them incompatible with current CD and DVD drive technology.[1] These discs have the capacity to hold up to 6  (TB) of information. The HVD also has a transfer rate of 1 Gbit/s (125 MB/s). Sony, Philips, TDK, Panasonic and Optware all plan to release 1 TB capacity discs in 2019 while Maxell plans one for early 2020 with a capacity of 500 GB and transfer rate of 20 MB/s—although HVD standards were approved and published on June 28, 2007, no company has released an HVD as of November 2009.

 

As of August 2009, the HVD Forum comprised these corporations:

Some members of the Blu-ray Disc Association

 

On December 9, 2004 at its 88th General Assembly the standards body Ecma International created Technical Committee 44, dedicated to standardizing HVD formats based on Optware's technology. On June 11, 2007, TC44 published the first two HVD standards:[5] ECMA-377,[6] defining a 200 GB HVD "recordable cartridge" and ECMA-378,[7] defining a 100 GB HVD-ROM disc. Its next stated goals are 30 GB HVD cards and submission of these standards to the International Organization for Standardization for ISO approval.[8]

[9] New High Definition Video Technologies Road Map (2004-2010) From Maxell Corporation of America

 

AN I hope this can end this Debate About Holographic unseating Blu-Ray anytime soon

if anyone still think's HVD can anytime soon.

 please get it through your head

IT's over

HVD, digital downloads, or any other technology in the near future are not going to unseat Blu-Ray for the near future

the full CE companies all support Blu-Ray

the Entire Movie industry support's Blu-Ray

and Blu-Ray still support's standard DVD

IT'S OVER WITH AND DONE

BLU-RAY IS THE WINNER!

 

While I agree with you about that HVD will not take over for Blu-ray anytime soon or ever for that matter, that article actually reinforces my arguement that Blu-ray is not a holographic disc.   I dont know where you saw it in there that it said it was,  it was just comparing it to blu-ray cause it uses some of the same features.   The first paragraph is merely talking about high capacity discs.   But I do agree with the rest of what you said.

thank's for the prop's. but Blu-Ray is also a holographic based technology:

look what GE did.

GE:

Globally Mobile writes"The Register has this article concerning GE's announcement that it has been developing a 1 terabyte DVD-size disk that can be read by a modified Blu-ray player. Peter Lorraine, GE's lab manager, talking at an Emerging Tech conference last week, said that license announcements could be expected soon. He also mentioned the notion of disks having the capacity of 100 Blu-ray disks, implying a 2.5TB or even 5TB capacity, gained by increasing the number of layers used for recording. The discs will be used for high-end commercial niches initially and then migrate to consumer markets in 2012-2015. Also here is a video of the technology explained. Wish we could see this sooner! Reminds me of the technology that Bowie's character came up with in The Man Who Fell to Earth."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXrJgXYq0Bk&feature=player_embedded

its indeed holgraphic based technology.

as this experiment showed holographic disc's can be read even by a modified Blu-Ray player.

 



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You do realize that one of the lasers needed for HVD is a standard blu-ray laser? The modification they made was adding the 2 green lasers to read the holographic data. Without these green lasers it cant read the holographic ilayer.

A blu-ray disc is still based off old cd technology where all information is stored on 1 or 2 metal layers stored in the middle of the disc. HVD tchnology uses a holographic layer in addtion to 2 metal layers, which is why it needs the extra lasers. Not to mention the power out put needed for those lasers is ridiculous. So when they said "modified", they meant we changed everything to get it to work



Vetteman94 said:
You do realize that one of the lasers needed for HVD is a standard blu-ray laser? The modification they made was adding the 2 green lasers to read the holographic data. Without these green lasers it cant read the holographic ilayer.

A blu-ray disc is still based off old cd technology where all information is stored on 1 or 2 metal layers stored in the middle of the disc. HVD tchnology uses a holographic layer in addtion to 2 metal layers, which is why it needs the extra lasers. Not to mention the power out put needed for those lasers is ridiculous. So when they said "modified", they meant we changed everything to get it to work

 it was not everything.

yes I do in fact know that it requires those green laser's. 

hell if you want to be realistic about it even holographic disc based technology is based off OF old CD optical technology.

look were splitting hair's here. the truth of the matter is

that through optical technology experimitation evolved , but just like a blu-ray laser is a combination laser it's not that far fetched to include the added laser's in order to read holographic disc's,they did not change the core function, let me ask you this would that Blu-Ray player still be able to play blu-ray disc's?. the fact that GE used a modified blu-ray player was no coincident.

the core technology is still the basis of it all boil's down to quite a few factor's but still the same principles.

its like the first automobile is in principle the same as it is now as it was back then , its just through the maturity of the technology and advancement's we have gained that the evolution of said automobile has progressed.

 

 



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why don't you guys start a new post. That list is ridiculously long.



But we arent argueing that HVD is a cd based technology, we were argueing that Blu-ray is or is not an HVD type technology. Sure in the end it is all optical media but again thats not what the arguement was. Blu-ray has no hologaphic data layer, only mulitple metal layers, it only has one laser as well. And yeah the modifies everything, they has to up the drive motor for faster spinning speeds, the had to add 2 additional lasers, and had to up the power supply within to accommodate the highe powered green lasers. The only thing left over that even resembles the blu-ray drive is the disc tray and the blue laser they are using.



Vetteman94 said:
But we arent argueing that HVD is a cd based technology, we were argueing that Blu-ray is or is not an HVD type technology. Sure in the end it is all optical media but again thats not what the arguement was. Blu-ray has no hologaphic data layer, only mulitple metal layers, it only has one laser as well. And yeah the modifies everything, they has to up the drive motor for faster spinning speeds, the had to add 2 additional lasers, and had to up the power supply within to accommodate the highe powered green lasers. The only thing left over that even resembles the blu-ray drive is the disc tray and the blue laser they are using.

but that is the thing, your saying that Blu-Ray is not a holographic base technology, but without the technology would there be any HOLOGRAPHIC DISC based TECHNOLOGY? there is many type's of HOLOGRAPHIC BASED TECHNOLOGY.

example you can just use a Blue laser to read or write hologram data with red being used for addressing:

(1) (High Voltage Differential) See SCSI and differential signaling.

(2) (Holographic Versatile Disc) A high-capacity optical disc from the HVD Forum (www.hvd-forum.org) that combines single beam holographic storage and DVD technologies to provide cartridge capacities reaching 1TB and beyond. Formed in 2005 as the HVD Alliance, the first HVD standards were released in 2007 for 100GB read-only (ECMA-378) and 200GB recordable (ECMA-377) formats.

HVD uses the conventional CD/DVD pit layer for addressing the disc, on top of which is the holographic recording layer. A red laser reads the addresses, while a green or blue laser reads and writes the holograms.

Single Beam Holography

Throughout the history of holographic storage research, two separate laser beams have been used to write the holograms at the intersecting point. Using Optware's Collinear Holography, HVD combines the two lasers into one lens, which reduces the size and cost of the mechanism. Seeholographic storage.

 

 

example:

We hear about holographic storage time and again, but look around — do you see any holographic drive arrays around you? Didn’t think so. At the moment it’s just not cost-effective (compared with plain ol’ HDDs) and not fast enough (compared with SSDs and other flash arrays). That doesn’t mean it’ll be an exotic technology forever, though: GE is hard at work making it more compatible with existing technology, and thinks they’ve come up with something good. Their optics labs have increased reflectivity in their media to the point where a standard Blu-ray laser can be used to read them, though nothing is said about writing.

The resultant discs, the same size as CDs and DVDs, would be able to hold 500GB at current densities, going up to 1.6GBTB in densities achievable in a year or two. What does this mean for you? Probably nothing, but it’s good to know they’re all hard at work, right?

Maybe in 2011 you’ll be able to buy a modified Blu-ray drive (assuming the format is still around) that will have a mode for reading these holographic discs. You might even be able to get a special drive to write on ‘em. Seems a bit weird talking about “next-generation” optical technologies when almost all media is going online, but there’s always a use for discs like these. Assuming the discs aren’t too volatile, this kind of storage capacity would be great for backups.

Aaanyway, don’t worry your little head about it. When something happens, you’ll know (because we’ll tell you). In the meantime, get your holographic storage shirt here.



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I imagined something like this, now it's more clear: it isn't that BD is holographic, BUT they devised an implementation of holographic storage that requires a lot less modifications than before to existing optical drive technology and makes also easier and inexpensive back compatibility.
IMHO this, more than making HVD's road a lot easier, puts it slightly better than on a par with the difficulties met by BD, as it had too a quite inexpensive BC, but it took some time anyway to get inexpensive its new parts too, in this case the hurdles about laser emitters cost are already cleared, but those about the new optics and media are still there, and regarding media, they are bigger than those met by DVD and BD, that were quite linear evolutions from previous optical formats.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
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I imagined something like this, now it's more clear: it isn't that BD is holographic, BUT they devised an implementation of holographic storage that requires a lot less modifications than before to existing optical drive technology and makes also easier and inexpensive back compatibility.
IMHO this, more than making HVD's road a lot easier, puts it slightly better than on a par with the difficulties met by BD, as it had too a quite inexpensive BC, but it took some time anyway to get inexpensive its new parts too, in this case the hurdles about laser emitters cost are already cleared, but those about the new optics and media are still there, and regarding media, they are bigger than those met by DVD and BD, that were quite linear evolutions from previous optical formats.

that's the point, BD is a TYPE OF holographic disc technology. it is not the same as GREEN based laser holographic technology but it's its own type.

there is no defacto Holographic Type.this is just another way that the Implementation of how each of those optical technology's are used.



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