Cypher1980 said: I get the feeling a lot of people are being blinded by figures. I guess the Pie chart looks lovely but at this point in the DVD VHS cycle the DVD section was over 50 percent. Also I really need a lot more info on my pie charts about data collection. Lets not forget it was the Home Media people who eventually conceded their DVD comparisons were limited to top 20 titles due to the lack of Blu Ray media penetration and shouldnt be taken as a realistic Sale for Sale snapshot.

Do u have data for DVD vs VHS sales for first five years? i will really like to see the comparison... cuz i was a bit too young at the time of that war to care much. :P

But i dont think any new technology penetrate suddenly to grass root. take example of operating systems, people are still buying windows XP.. so definitely to expect one fine morning people will wake up start seeing movies on Blu Ray is just a dream.

The most important chart for me is the revenue chart.. n i think it is also one of the most important for retailers, publishers and others. so 12% revenue from total packaged media is not insignificant anymore.. last yr on Black Friday the Blu Ray represented around 4% of the revenue of the total packaged media. So thats quite a sizable jump in my view. from $20m to almost $70m in a single week sales is quite an improvement.

Anyway i m surely looking forward to see some data from u for DVD vs VHS war.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2003/jun/20/20030620-113258-1104r/


Rewinding movies is becoming a thing of the past.

DVD rentals outpaced videocassette rentals last week for the first time, the Video Software Dealers Association reported.

For the week ended Sunday, 28.2 million DVDs were rented vs. 27.3 million VHS cassettes, according to the trade association's VidTrac, a point-of-sale tracking technology.

"The American public has fallen in love with DVDs," said Sean Devlin Bersell, a video association spokesman. "The acceptance of DVD has exceeded every expectation."

Weekly revenue from DVD rentals began exceeding VHS rental revenue in the week ended March 16, according to VidTrac.

Since then, weekly DVD rental revenue generally has been beating VHS rental revenue. But the number of VHS rentals was greater than the number of DVDs rented -- until last week.

Americans have accepted DVDs faster than they did black-and-white TV, color TV, VCRs and CD players, said Mr. Bersell. About 50 million Americans have bought DVD players since they were introduced in 1997. It took the VCR 10 years to reach the same threshold.

The most attractive feature, he says, are the bonus materials that videos don't have. Mr. Bersell said he spent three evenings watching just the bonus material of his favorite movie, "The Wizard of Oz."

"I love that DVD. By the fourth night, I turned to my wife an asked: Can we watch the movie now?" he said, laughing.

Cypher1980 said: http://washingtontimes.com/news/2003/jun/20/20030620-113258-1104r/ Rewinding movies is becoming a thing of the past. DVD rentals outpaced videocassette rentals last week for the first time, the Video Software Dealers Association reported. For the week ended Sunday, 28.2 million DVDs were rented vs. 27.3 million VHS cassettes, according to the trade association's VidTrac, a point-of-sale tracking technology. "The American public has fallen in love with DVDs," said Sean Devlin Bersell, a video association spokesman. "The acceptance of DVD has exceeded every expectation." Weekly revenue from DVD rentals began exceeding VHS rental revenue in the week ended March 16, according to VidTrac. Since then, weekly DVD rental revenue generally has been beating VHS rental revenue. But the number of VHS rentals was greater than the number of DVDs rented -- until last week. Americans have accepted DVDs faster than they did black-and-white TV, color TV, VCRs and CD players, said Mr. Bersell. About 50 million Americans have bought DVD players since they were introduced in 1997. It took the VCR 10 years to reach the same threshold. The most attractive feature, he says, are the bonus materials that videos don't have. Mr. Bersell said he spent three evenings watching just the bonus material of his favorite movie, "The Wizard of Oz." "I love that DVD. By the fourth night, I turned to my wife an asked: Can we watch the movie now?" he said, laughing.

This is in the 6th year of DVD (rather if u go by Wikipedia its the start of 7th yr)... n Blu Ray is only in its 4th year..

so if Blu ray fail to become mainstream by the 2011 - 2012 than one can say it did not do good.. 

still thanks for the info

Wow, so DVD sales were down 7% YoY for Black Friday week but disc-based movie sales were UP YoY, on Blu-Ray strength...to be honest I was not expecting that.

Prices of discs are really getting affordable and the players should keep coming down nicely in price too.  Blu-Ray players are listed on tons of "hottest gifts of 09" lists for the holidays.

Noobie said: Cypher1980 said: http://washingtontimes.com/news/2003/jun/20/20030620-113258-1104r/ Rewinding movies is becoming a thing of the past. DVD rentals outpaced videocassette rentals last week for the first time, the Video Software Dealers Association reported. For the week ended Sunday, 28.2 million DVDs were rented vs. 27.3 million VHS cassettes, according to the trade association's VidTrac, a point-of-sale tracking technology. "The American public has fallen in love with DVDs," said Sean Devlin Bersell, a video association spokesman. "The acceptance of DVD has exceeded every expectation." Weekly revenue from DVD rentals began exceeding VHS rental revenue in the week ended March 16, according to VidTrac. Since then, weekly DVD rental revenue generally has been beating VHS rental revenue. But the number of VHS rentals was greater than the number of DVDs rented -- until last week. Americans have accepted DVDs faster than they did black-and-white TV, color TV, VCRs and CD players, said Mr. Bersell. About 50 million Americans have bought DVD players since they were introduced in 1997. It took the VCR 10 years to reach the same threshold. The most attractive feature, he says, are the bonus materials that videos don't have. Mr. Bersell said he spent three evenings watching just the bonus material of his favorite movie, "The Wizard of Oz." "I love that DVD. By the fourth night, I turned to my wife an asked: Can we watch the movie now?" he said, laughing. This is in the 6th year of DVD (rather if u go by Wikipedia its the start of 7th yr)... n Blu Ray is only in its 4th year.. so if Blu ray fail to become mainstream by the 2011 - 2012 than one can say it did not do good..  still thanks for the info

And its second being the only format for HD.

Noobie said: Cypher1980 said: http://washingtontimes.com/news/2003/jun/20/20030620-113258-1104r/ Rewinding movies is becoming a thing of the past. DVD rentals outpaced videocassette rentals last week for the first time, the Video Software Dealers Association reported. For the week ended Sunday, 28.2 million DVDs were rented vs. 27.3 million VHS cassettes, according to the trade association's VidTrac, a point-of-sale tracking technology. "The American public has fallen in love with DVDs," said Sean Devlin Bersell, a video association spokesman. "The acceptance of DVD has exceeded every expectation." Weekly revenue from DVD rentals began exceeding VHS rental revenue in the week ended March 16, according to VidTrac. Since then, weekly DVD rental revenue generally has been beating VHS rental revenue. But the number of VHS rentals was greater than the number of DVDs rented -- until last week. Americans have accepted DVDs faster than they did black-and-white TV, color TV, VCRs and CD players, said Mr. Bersell. About 50 million Americans have bought DVD players since they were introduced in 1997. It took the VCR 10 years to reach the same threshold. The most attractive feature, he says, are the bonus materials that videos don't have. Mr. Bersell said he spent three evenings watching just the bonus material of his favorite movie, "The Wizard of Oz." "I love that DVD. By the fourth night, I turned to my wife an asked: Can we watch the movie now?" he said, laughing. This is in the 6th year of DVD (rather if u go by Wikipedia its the start of 7th yr)... n Blu Ray is only in its 4th year.. so if Blu ray fail to become mainstream by the 2011 - 2012 than one can say it did not do good..  still thanks for the info

Not quite DVD was finalised December 97 but the availability of players was heavily restricted till mid 98

So it turned the tide after 5 years !

woah woah woah... and Blu-ray players werent restricted? And HDDVD never existed.... lol lol lol. lets just ignore key facts here.

From: http://www.ce.org/PDF/2K10_5tech_web.pdf
Recent developments in holographic storage might mean that formats based on this idea are closer than we think. GE Global Research in early 2009 announced that it had developed a holographic storage material capable of storing 500GB of data on a DVD-sized optical disc – ten times the amount that can be stored on a dual-layer Blu-ray disc.

(expect commercial devices 2012). IMHO, the real question is, will Blu Ray take off by then or is it just a niche market, that will be largely ignored by the masses esentially waiting for something better. Things tend to be very expensive the first year or two, so blu ray may have another year or two to reach >50%. Personally, I doubt it will, but it might by 2014. If it doesn't by 2014, it will be too outdated, and the industry will have to pick a new format.

jlauro said: From: http://www.ce.org/PDF/2K10_5tech_web.pdf Recent developments in holographic storage might mean that formats based on this idea are closer than we think. GE Global Research in early 2009 announced that it had developed a holographic storage material capable of storing 500GB of data on a DVD-sized optical disc – ten times the amount that can be stored on a dual-layer Blu-ray disc. (expect commercial devices 2012). IMHO, the real question is, will Blu Ray take off by then or is it just a niche market, that will be largely ignored by the masses esentially waiting for something better. Things tend to be very expensive the first year or two, so blu ray may have another year or two to reach >50%. Personally, I doubt it will, but it might by 2014. If it doesn't by 2014, it will be too outdated.

LOL get this shit outta here. I don't know what peoples obsession with trying to find a way to say blu-ray will fail. A. Consumers are invested in Blu-ray already. It will be hard to convince them to buy something else. B. Companies are invested in blu-ray already. It will be hard to convince them to put effort in a media that has 0 user base. C. 10 times the amount of blu-ray... OKAY? And why do people need that? They don't it's useless.

jlauro said: From: http://www.ce.org/PDF/2K10_5tech_web.pdf Recent developments in holographic storage might mean that formats based on this idea are closer than we think. GE Global Research in early 2009 announced that it had developed a holographic storage material capable of storing 500GB of data on a DVD-sized optical disc – ten times the amount that can be stored on a dual-layer Blu-ray disc. (expect commercial devices 2012). IMHO, the real question is, will Blu Ray take off by then or is it just a niche market, that will be largely ignored by the masses in favor of something better. Things tend to be very expensive the first year or two, so blu ray may have another year or two to reach >50%. Personally, I doubt it will, but it might by 2014. If it doesn't by 2014, it will be too outdated.

Whoah, grasping for anything, huh?

And how expensive will those be in 2012 when, yes, Blu-Ray will have a significant install base and a lot of people will be invested in it?  Will it be time for people to upgrade by then?  Who knows, but I'm thinking no.  Whatever is next will be the true niche high-quality disc, because by then digital download will be much more developed, and can deliver higher quality.  Who knows, maybe some afficianados will jump at them, but to me, I don't see much market for resolutions above 1080p/lossless audio if the discs cost more.

I challenge you to come up with a coherent explanation of why people wouldn't move to higher quality Blu-Ray but WILL move to even higher quality holographic.  Especially when HDTVs only go up to 1080p.  And people even say that unless you have a big set, you don't even need 1080p.  Nope, holographic disc movies will always, always be niche compared to Blu-Ray.  It's an open question whether studios will even produce movies on them.