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Miyamotoo on 07 July 2017
outlawauron said:
Miyamotoo said:

3DS is still on market and actual in its 7. year on market its still selling good.

How that has anything with sales in Japan!? And for reference, PS4 didn't sell with profit from start, Switch is selling with profit from start, not to mention that Nintendo also has huge profit on 1st party games, and Switch 1st party games are selling great (Zelda BotW and MK8D are killing it and now Splatoon 2 will start killing it also).

And Sony makes more money from PSN than the entierty of Nintendo. What does that have to do with anything?

It doesn't and thats was my point, same like fact that Nintendo little less profit than hole Sony last FY.

 

Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

3DS is still on market and actual in its 7. year on market its still selling good.

How that has anything with sales in Japan!? And for reference, PS4 didn't sell with profit from start, Switch is selling with profit from start, not to mention that Nintendo also has huge profit on 1st party games, and Switch 1st party games are selling great (Zelda BotW and MK8D are killing it and now Splatoon 2 will start killing it also).

Ps4 did make a profit from day 1.

Psn alone now brings in more then Nintendo.  The overall Playstation revenue is far bigger too. 

 

The vita is still on the market.  3DS and Vita are winding down.  I think next year 3ds gets really low.  Switch will be the sole m Nintendo platform in the next 2 years.  Same as ps4 for Sony when vita officially dies. 

You are again wrong, at launch PS4 sold at loss.

https://www.cnet.com/news/playstation-4-to-sell-at-a-loss-but-sony-expects-profit/

 

"Bringing" money and profit are not same things, hole Sony (with 125k employees) last year a little bigger profit than Nintendo (that has 5.5k emploeyes).

 

Vita is dead (it has weeks sales around 4-5k in 2017.), but 3DS is still selling good and has same sales like last year, and actualy it will be again YOY when 2DS XL launches in few weeks. PS4 this year sold only 120k more than 3DS in its 7. year on market. Yes, Switch will be only Nintendo platform in around 2 years, but currently still is selling good, same couldn't be said for Vita.



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Kerotan on 07 July 2017
Miyamotoo said:
outlawauron said:

And Sony makes more money from PSN than the entierty of Nintendo. What does that have to do with anything?

It doesn't and thats was my point, same like fact that Nintendo little less profit than hole Sony last FY.

 

Kerotan said:

Ps4 did make a profit from day 1.

Psn alone now brings in more then Nintendo.  The overall Playstation revenue is far bigger too. 

 

The vita is still on the market.  3DS and Vita are winding down.  I think next year 3ds gets really low.  Switch will be the sole m Nintendo platform in the next 2 years.  Same as ps4 for Sony when vita officially dies. 

You are again wrong, at launch PS4 sold at loss.

https://www.cnet.com/news/playstation-4-to-sell-at-a-loss-but-sony-expects-profit/

 

"Bringing" money and profit are not same things, hole Sony (with 125k employees) last year a little bigger profit than Nintendo (that has 5.5k emploeyes).

 

Vita is dead (it has weeks sales around 4-5k in 2017.), but 3DS is still selling good and has same sales like last year, and actualy it will be again YOY when 2DS XL launches in few weeks. PS4 this year sold only 120k more than 3DS in its 7. year on market. Yes, Switch will be only Nintendo platform in around 2 years, but currently still is selling good, same couldn't be said for Vita.

By profit I mean Playstation 4 wasn't losing them money. Including software and ps plus it was actually making them lots day one.  I don't see the point in cherry picking one aspect of the platform (the hardware)  and saying it was making a loss. 



Miyamotoo on 08 July 2017
Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

It doesn't and thats was my point, same like fact that Nintendo little less profit than hole Sony last FY.

 

You are again wrong, at launch PS4 sold at loss.

https://www.cnet.com/news/playstation-4-to-sell-at-a-loss-but-sony-expects-profit/

 

"Bringing" money and profit are not same things, hole Sony (with 125k employees) last year a little bigger profit than Nintendo (that has 5.5k emploeyes).

 

Vita is dead (it has weeks sales around 4-5k in 2017.), but 3DS is still selling good and has same sales like last year, and actualy it will be again YOY when 2DS XL launches in few weeks. PS4 this year sold only 120k more than 3DS in its 7. year on market. Yes, Switch will be only Nintendo platform in around 2 years, but currently still is selling good, same couldn't be said for Vita.

By profit I mean Playstation 4 wasn't losing them money. Including software and ps plus it was actually making them lots day one.  I don't see the point in cherry picking one aspect of the platform (the hardware)  and saying it was making a loss. 

When someone say "console is selling with profit or loss" it means that hardware itself is selling with profit or loss, not if console will sell with profit with few games sold and online subscription. For instance Regiee said for Wii U that Wii U is selling with profit with one or two sold games (something similar Sony said for PS4 at launch), that basically means that hardware itself was selling at loss. PS3, Wii U and PS4 sold with loss at launch, Switch is selling from launch with profit, actually 3DS and Wii U are only Nintendo consoles that were selling with loss on launch.



bluedawgs on 08 July 2017


 

 

Kerotan said:

Ps4 did make a profit from day 1.

Psn alone now brings in more then Nintendo.  The overall Playstation revenue is far bigger too. 

 

The vita is still on the market.  3DS and Vita are winding down.  I think next year 3ds gets really low.  Switch will be the sole m Nintendo platform in the next 2 years.  Same as ps4 for Sony when vita officially dies. 

You are again wrong, at launch PS4 sold at loss.

https://www.cnet.com/news/playstation-4-to-sell-at-a-loss-but-sony-expects-profit/

 

"Bringing" money and profit are not same things, hole Sony (with 125k employees) last year a little bigger profit than Nintendo (that has 5.5k emploeyes).

 

Vita is dead (it has weeks sales around 4-5k in 2017.), but 3DS is still selling good and has same sales like last year, and actualy it will be again YOY when 2DS XL launches in few weeks. PS4 this year sold only 120k more than 3DS in its 7. year on market. Yes, Switch will be only Nintendo platform in around 2 years, but currently still is selling good, same couldn't be said for Vita.

i mean i dont know what the article you linked is about but 6 months after ps4 launched kaz hirai said this

published in may of 2014

 PS4 is also already contributing profit on a hardware unit basis, establishing a very different business framework from that of previous platform businesses."

https://www.polygon.com/2014/5/23/5744344/ps4-already-profitable-for-sony-ceo-says



Miyamotoo on 09 July 2017
bluedawgs said:

 

You are again wrong, at launch PS4 sold at loss.

https://www.cnet.com/news/playstation-4-to-sell-at-a-loss-but-sony-expects-profit/

 

"Bringing" money and profit are not same things, hole Sony (with 125k employees) last year a little bigger profit than Nintendo (that has 5.5k emploeyes).

 

Vita is dead (it has weeks sales around 4-5k in 2017.), but 3DS is still selling good and has same sales like last year, and actualy it will be again YOY when 2DS XL launches in few weeks. PS4 this year sold only 120k more than 3DS in its 7. year on market. Yes, Switch will be only Nintendo platform in around 2 years, but currently still is selling good, same couldn't be said for Vita.

i mean i dont know what the article you linked is about but 6 months after ps4 launched kaz hirai said this

published in may of 2014

 PS4 is also already contributing profit on a hardware unit basis, establishing a very different business framework from that of previous platform businesses."

https://www.polygon.com/2014/5/23/5744344/ps4-already-profitable-for-sony-ceo-says

Because PS4 did start selling with profit couple months after launch but at launch was selling with loss, and that was my point in response, that actually was sealing with loss at launch.