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JWeinCom on 04 July 2017
Eagle367 said:
Well if God exists then it is important to know whether He is omnipotent omnipresent all knowing far beyond the perception of humanity has a will has no beginning or ending and is incomparable to anything. Or is He not conscious but the unwilling unknowing creator of a random universe. If He has a will but is comparable within our perception has a beginning and ending or begets or is begotten then He/They are no God in my eyes. If God has no will or has a will is important if He has a will and has given us especially free will so that we may follow or disobey Him and then go to heaven or hell with this life being a test. I can only tell about my perspective which is a misunderstood perspective of a Muslim. I mean 99% of you don't understand the basics of Islam let's be honest. But in that regard if God exists as we in Islam are taught then we cannot do everything our heart desires and we have to be careful or halal and haram and everything like that and certainly Daesh, Al Qaeda, all our leaders of every Muslim nation especially Saudi Arabia and all the terrorists will be the first in hell. To me personally whether God exists or not is the most important question ever. Right there right then if God doesn't exist and I know it then I don't care about this universe I'll just off myself after random acts of who knows what. Frankly speaking my will to live is tied to my religion in which suicide is forbidden. Without religion Chaos for me is natural and I don't particularly care about anything especially not adult humans they are the worst of the worst animals and children and wold life and forestry are still things worth saving but I might as well even go on a killing streak before offing myself. Don't tell anyone that though I don't want to be stuck in a mental asylum even though I probably belong in one.                                     

These thoughts indicate that you are mentally ill.  I am too to an extent, so no judgment.  But, you need to seriously stop what you're doing and get help.  What you are saying is sociopathic.  There is nothing wrong with seeking mental health treatment, or even being in an institution if that's what you need.



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o_O.Q on 04 July 2017
SpokenTruth said:
Abrahamic religious morals say you must follow X rules AND worship me but if you follow all X rules but do not worship me, you suffer for all of eternity but you can ignore the rules, worship me and not suffer for eternity.

That's not morality. Altruism and empathy should be the founding functions of morality, not fear.

 define altruism and empathy



Nem on 04 July 2017
o_O.Q said:
Nem said:

But it does matter. Religious people here, now, alive are forcing views on others based on fantasy books. Racism, sexism, genocide, war, slavery... everything goes according to these madness books.

If people would realize that it is obviously not real, at least in the form that their books describe, the world would be a much more peaceful place.

Seriously... all you religious types don't even know what empathy is.

Also, It's wrong. There are things that aren't good that God aproves. For example, beating your wife, or slavery. You gonna tell me those things are "right"?

 

I would still like to know why Atheists don't go around killing your asses if that were true.Surely we don't care what God thinks. Cause i'm sure there would be even a few willing to piss on the law or do it in secret.

The answer is simple: you are trying to give credit to "God" for something he didn't do.

God did not decide what is right and wrong. Your empathy does. Empathy is a function that increases your surivability. Makes you cooperate with others and not do to them what you wouldn't like them to do to you, increasing your survivability chances.

That is all there is to it. 

Stop trying to credit some inexistant beeing for something that is just part of evolution, just like everything else in us.

You also know that there are some people that are born without that capability. They can't feel empathy. They are usually troubled individuals (some also mass murderers). If this is on God, WHY would he make such individuals? That would be outright sadistic!

 

and empathy is not a constant across people... so where does that leave you?

Erm... the same place? Is it required for everyone to have the same level of empathy? That is not how evolution works. It's genes. It's not a complete on and off switch.



Eagle367 on 04 July 2017
JWeinCom said:
Eagle367 said:
Well if God exists then it is important to know whether He is omnipotent omnipresent all knowing far beyond the perception of humanity has a will has no beginning or ending and is incomparable to anything. Or is He not conscious but the unwilling unknowing creator of a random universe. If He has a will but is comparable within our perception has a beginning and ending or begets or is begotten then He/They are no God in my eyes. If God has no will or has a will is important if He has a will and has given us especially free will so that we may follow or disobey Him and then go to heaven or hell with this life being a test. I can only tell about my perspective which is a misunderstood perspective of a Muslim. I mean 99% of you don't understand the basics of Islam let's be honest. But in that regard if God exists as we in Islam are taught then we cannot do everything our heart desires and we have to be careful or halal and haram and everything like that and certainly Daesh, Al Qaeda, all our leaders of every Muslim nation especially Saudi Arabia and all the terrorists will be the first in hell. To me personally whether God exists or not is the most important question ever. Right there right then if God doesn't exist and I know it then I don't care about this universe I'll just off myself after random acts of who knows what. Frankly speaking my will to live is tied to my religion in which suicide is forbidden. Without religion Chaos for me is natural and I don't particularly care about anything especially not adult humans they are the worst of the worst animals and children and wold life and forestry are still things worth saving but I might as well even go on a killing streak before offing myself. Don't tell anyone that though I don't want to be stuck in a mental asylum even though I probably belong in one.                                     

These thoughts indicate that you are mentally ill.  I am too to an extent, so no judgment.  But, you need to seriously stop what you're doing and get help.  What you are saying is sociopathic.  There is nothing wrong with seeking mental health treatment, or even being in an institution if that's what you need

I'm actually not doing any of those things of course. Hell if you meet me in person you won't even guess that I think this way. The only two things that would actually make me do these things is if I find out there is no God or if I found put everything is predetermined somehow cause then what the hell who cares. I am very loosely connected to this world and am completely sane as of now is my point.s



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Eagle367 on 04 July 2017
John2290 said:
Eagle367 said:
Well if God exists then it is important to know whether He is omnipotent omnipresent all knowing far beyond the perception of humanity has a will has no beginning or ending and is incomparable to anything. Or is He not conscious but the unwilling unknowing creator of a random universe. If He has a will but is comparable within our perception has a beginning and ending or begets or is begotten then He/They are no God in my eyes. If God has no will or has a will is important if He has a will and has given us especially free will so that we may follow or disobey Him and then go to heaven or hell with this life being a test. I can only tell about my perspective which is a misunderstood perspective of a Muslim. I mean 99% of you don't understand the basics of Islam let's be honest. But in that regard if God exists as we in Islam are taught then we cannot do everything our heart desires and we have to be careful or halal and haram and everything like that and certainly Daesh, Al Qaeda, all our leaders of every Muslim nation especially Saudi Arabia and all the terrorists will be the first in hell. To me personally whether God exists or not is the most important question ever. Right there right then if God doesn't exist and I know it then I don't care about this universe I'll just off myself after random acts of who knows what. Frankly speaking my will to live is tied to my religion in which suicide is forbidden. Without religion Chaos for me is natural and I don't particularly care about anything especially not adult humans they are the worst of the worst animals and children and wold life and forestry are still things worth saving but I might as well even go on a killing streak before offing myself. Don't tell anyone that though I don't want to be stuck in a mental asylum even though I probably belong in one.

No offense and I hope you are not going through a rough time but your comment give the impression that you are weak of mind. 

I am actually quite sound of mind by the looks of it. I am studying physics and i understand stuff easily that others have a hard time learning. I am hoping to go all P.HD. I'm just saying I keep all the demons in check. My mind is like a conglomerate of different people and right now I am keeping everyone in check but one flip of a switch and everything will go wrong that switch is based solely on two things. Existence of God and predetermination. If the first is false or the second truce then I'll just let go and have the voices reign supreme



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JWeinCom on 04 July 2017
Eagle367 said:
JWeinCom said:

These thoughts indicate that you are mentally ill.  I am too to an extent, so no judgment.  But, you need to seriously stop what you're doing and get help.  What you are saying is sociopathic.  There is nothing wrong with seeking mental health treatment, or even being in an institution if that's what you need

I'm actually not doing any of those things of course. Hell if you meet me in person you won't even guess that I think this way. The only two things that would actually make me do these things is if I find out there is no God or if I found put everything is predetermined somehow cause then what the hell who cares. I am very loosely connected to this world and am completely sane as of now is my point.s

I can only judge what you're saying, but it does not sound like someone who is completely sane.  It sounds sociopathic.  If you actually feel that way, and you're not just having fun over the internet, then you need help.



dahuman on 04 July 2017

Don't really give a shit, God is an idea bore by some men, whether people believe it or not is none of my concern.



bigtakilla on 04 July 2017

While we're here on Earth I doubt it would matter much, but if he does exist and we're destined for eternity somewhere I think it would matter a great deal when we died.



Nem on 04 July 2017
o_O.Q said:
SpokenTruth said:
Abrahamic religious morals say you must follow X rules AND worship me but if you follow all X rules but do not worship me, you suffer for all of eternity but you can ignore the rules, worship me and not suffer for eternity.

That's not morality. Altruism and empathy should be the founding functions of morality, not fear.

 define altruism and empathy

Both are chemical hormonic processes, might even be the same one.

They compel you to protect the weak and the young and coopertation in society to increase survival.

Any more questions? You gonna tell me God is magically pushing hormones to make that happen?



CartBlanche on 04 July 2017
o_O.Q said:

it does because without god objective morality cannot exist

I think you'll find there is no way for the morality of a so called god to be objective, because the information emparted is done so via humans who are incapable of being truely 100% objective. Until a god (take your pick from the millions that exist and used to exist) speaks directly to a computer and that information is transcribed directly for the masses, there is no objective morality!! Even then once a human reads the "message" it ceases to be objective as it would be subject to each person's world view.