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friendlyfamine said:
Areym said:

If Nintendo does do away with the 3ds and put all their titles into the switch, then it can have games for days. They still have conflicting messages where the Switch is not gonna do away with the 3DS so I'm not sure what to believe. I'd still say you are overestimating the console moving potential of those first titles and last ones you mentioned. Games like NMH, pikmin and Kirby are equivalent to games like Nioh, Gravity Rush and Nier on the PS4, relatively smaller titles compared to the Uncharteds and HZDs (granted, from a attachment rate perspective, the nintendo titles will sell much better) They didn't announce much for 2018 so those directs around the end of the year/early next year are gonna need some good announcements

Which ones are you talking about? The only console moving potential franchises Nintendo has are (in my opinion) 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Zelda, Animal Crossing and Pokemon.

Next tier would probably consist of Metroid, Fire Emblem, Donkey Kong and Kirby (?) - franchises that can break a million at least.

I think for Nintendo it goes

A-Team: Mario (2D and 3D), Mario Kart,  Smash Bros., Animal Crossing, Pokemon, Splatoon (top selling staples)

B-Team: Donkey Kong, Luigi's Mansion, Fire Emblem, Kirby, Mario Party, Yoshi, Paper Mario (solid selling IP)

C-Team: Metroid, Pikmin, Kid Icarus, Punch-Out!, Mario Strikers, Wario (Sell OK, support titles, can be a long time between sequels)

D-Team: F-Zero, Star Fox, Pilotwings, Wave Race, Advance Wars (semi-retired IP that Nintendo pulls out of their hat once in a blue moon).



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Soundwave said:
friendlyfamine said:

Which ones are you talking about? The only console moving potential franchises Nintendo has are (in my opinion) 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Zelda, Animal Crossing and Pokemon.

Next tier would probably consist of Metroid, Fire Emblem, Donkey Kong and Kirby (?) - franchises that can break a million at least.

I think for Nintendo it goes

A-Team: Mario (2D and 3D), Mario Kart,  Smash Bros., Animal Crossing, Pokemon, Splatoon (top selling staples)

B-Team: Donkey Kong, Luigi's Mansion, Fire Emblem, Kirby, Mario Party, Yoshi, Paper Mario (solid selling IP)

C-Team: Metroid, Pikmin, Kid Icarus, Punch-Out!, Mario Strikers, Wario (Sell OK, support titles, can be a long time between sequels)

D-Team: F-Zero, Star Fox, Pilotwings, Wave Race, Advance Wars (semi-retired IP that Nintendo pulls out of their hat once in a blue moon).

I agree with Rank A, though Splatoon could be one of those IPs similarly to Kirby where each installment sells less gradually. Kirby was once a franchise that broke 5 million units like Splatoon did. Honestly, it may be too early to rank Splatoon. I believe you may have forgotten Zelda.

I agree with everything else too. Metroid is probably B-Team though, I mean the hype for Prime 4 has been unprecedented. I'm tailored to believe this will easily beat the first Prime in terms of sales. Especially with the rise of FP games as of late. Pikmin could be B-Team too. Every game has broke a million units.



friendlyfamine said:
Soundwave said:

I think for Nintendo it goes

A-Team: Mario (2D and 3D), Mario Kart,  Smash Bros., Animal Crossing, Pokemon, Splatoon (top selling staples)

B-Team: Donkey Kong, Luigi's Mansion, Fire Emblem, Kirby, Mario Party, Yoshi, Paper Mario (solid selling IP)

C-Team: Metroid, Pikmin, Kid Icarus, Punch-Out!, Mario Strikers, Wario (Sell OK, support titles, can be a long time between sequels)

D-Team: F-Zero, Star Fox, Pilotwings, Wave Race, Advance Wars (semi-retired IP that Nintendo pulls out of their hat once in a blue moon).

I agree with Rank A, though Splatoon could be one of those IPs similarly to Kirby where each installment sells less gradually. Kirby was once a franchise that broke 5 million units like Splatoon did. Honestly, it may be too early to rank Splatoon. I believe you may have forgotten Zelda.

I agree with everything else too. Metroid is probably B-Team though, I mean the hype for Prime 4 has been unprecedented. I'm tailored to believe this will easily beat the first Prime in terms of sales. Especially with the rise of FP games as of late. Pikmin could be B-Team too. Every game has broke a million units.

I think a game should be able to break 5 mil to be considered "B team" material - especially for a first party dev like Nintendo. Selling 1 million is nice, but probably isn't going to push a lot of hardware.  We need more points of data on splatoon - yeah, it could go up or down.

"A" games need the potential to break 10 million - maybe even more than that.



Areym said:

Your first party devs or I guess in house development team (i don't know the proper terms but you get my point) can only put out so many titles in a year, big 3rd party titles are essenial to help mitigate droughts and also draw in a more casual crowd after the hardcore fans get their consoles. At least that's how i understand it. Nintendo already played their Zelda and Big Mario card in just this year. Titles like Kirby and Yoshi are not gonna push a ton of consoles next year.

I agree though that Nintendo started the Switch very well. They gotta find ways to keep that momentum and so far this year, they are doing just that.

Microsoft has a much tougher rode ahead having to constantly one-up Sony and the PS4.

I think they have enough big franchises left to carry the console (Pokémon, Animal Crossing, Smash Bros, 2D Mario, etc.). With the Switch getting decent support from Japan and Indies and with Nintendo focusing on the Switch as their only console starting next year we'll see enough big games on it. Nintendo was never focused on one console before and their combined (HH + HC) game output is quite tremendous.



xl-klaudkil said:

Ahh soo your basing  this of from weekly  sales and don't  seem to understand  that doesn't  mean a shit if your already  55mill unita behind  the best selling  system this  generation. 

I said they currently have the best-selling console. I was obviously not talking about those amazing Switch sales from 2014... not denying that the PS4 has the highest install base (I mean, there's a huge graph on the front-page to remind me every day haha!) 



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couchmonkey said:

I think a game should be able to break 5 mil to be considered "B team" material - especially for a first party dev like Nintendo. Selling 1 million is nice, but probably isn't going to push a lot of hardware.  We need more points of data on splatoon - yeah, it could go up or down.

"A" games need the potential to break 10 million - maybe even more than that.

In that case, a lot of these games move down to C-Team. 

  • Mario Party does not sell 5 million units. It had a breakout on the DS and 8, but those are outliers. On average, Mario Party sells 2 million. The 3DS games should've at least sold 3 million for me to believe that's possible imo, but Mario Party has turned to shit since Hudson left. Series ain't getting 5 million ever again.
  • Yoshi sells 1-2 million. First two games sold the best, but even then couldn't break 5 million.
  • Fire Emblem sells like a million. Awakening was a one hit imo (and that sold 2 million)
  • Kirby games as of late haven't even got 2 million. Even the DS games couldn't break 3.
I would argue Luigi's Mansion for being a Gamecube one-hit wonder, but eh. Let that one pass ;)


While it's obvious that Switch success is exceeding Ninty's expectations, their position isn't tricky at all, users and many 3rd parties are loving it. and despite the gae library still small, SW sales and attach rate are excellent, new games can only better a situation that's already good.
Sure, Ninty could ruin all with too many mistakes, just like any other company could ruin its own business too, but right now it doesn't look like they're doing too bad, they did some mistakes and they're still doing some of them, but these aren't too hard to fix.



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