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How long will the Nintendo Switch's lifespan be?

4 Years 33 15.87%
 
5 Years 25 12.02%
 
6 Years 70 33.65%
 
7 Years 34 16.35%
 
8 Years 16 7.69%
 
9 Years 3 1.44%
 
10 Years 27 12.98%
 
Total:208
Louie said:
It's Miyamoto, nothing to see here, really. Miyamoto will say whatever he wants but he's not making these decisions in the company anymore. Of course, the Switch could have a longer life-span than 5 years. But certainly not based on what Miyamoto wants.

Even if Miyamoto doesnt making some decisions any more, he is still with Takeda on strongest positions in Nintendo after Kimishima, and off course he knows about future Switch plans.



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One revision, 6-7 years life span and maybe Switch mini. Thats all. In 2022-23 we will see new Nintendo console.



I don't see much in the way of performance upgrades and Nvidia seems to have failed to make Tegra successful in mass acceptance. The reason it was stated Nintendo got the Tegra at a cheap price was because of the failure of Tegra to sell well even claimed use of a stockpile of chips that Nvidia couldn't sell. The Switch is pretty much their only large success for a mass market platform. Most of the future plans for Tegra seem to involve moving towards automobile chipsets and autonomous driving. Future Tegra chipsets may not even be ideal for Nintendo they may even go for a custom chipset based on Tegra X1 with their own desired upgrades to remain 100% compatible with mk1 Switch.

I feel Nintendo are more interested in making Switch a better portable device long term rather than tiered performance levels. It's still very much possible Nintendo would ditch Tegra altogether in 5 years time and move to a completely different provider for a chipset. Nintendo have shown pretty much no loyalty to any one company in the past.



The's no competition in the portable industry so it'll have a 7 year life minimum we've gone full circle where they'll have a monopoly again like the GB days after blowing out the competition.



bonzobanana said:
I don't see much in the way of performance upgrades and Nvidia seems to have failed to make Tegra successful in mass acceptance. The reason it was stated Nintendo got the Tegra at a cheap price was because of the failure of Tegra to sell well even claimed use of a stockpile of chips that Nvidia couldn't sell. The Switch is pretty much their only large success for a mass market platform. Most of the future plans for Tegra seem to involve moving towards automobile chipsets and autonomous driving. Future Tegra chipsets may not even be ideal for Nintendo they may even go for a custom chipset based on Tegra X1 with their own desired upgrades to remain 100% compatible with mk1 Switch.

I feel Nintendo are more interested in making Switch a better portable device long term rather than tiered performance levels. It's still very much possible Nintendo would ditch Tegra altogether in 5 years time and move to a completely different provider for a chipset. Nintendo have shown pretty much no loyalty to any one company in the past.

http://www.pcmag.com/news/349540/nvidia-expects-20-year-relationship-with-nintendo-thanks-to

I am pretty sure Nvidia will consider Nintendo needs in future chips and that Nintendo will stick with Nvidia (Nintendo talked about problems when they had with everyone new generation, when they need to start from scratch everything because of new chip, and that they want to fix that).



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Miyamotoo said:
Soundwave said:

March 2017 - Switch (Tegra X1 1/3 a XBox One performance)

Fall 2020 - Switch Pro (Tegra X3 PS4 tier performance)

Fall 2023 - Switch 4K (Tegra X5, Scorpio tier performance)

Yeah I could see that, various models built around above chipset configs.

Too much power for just revisons, I don't think Miyamoto have something that on mind, that Switch Pro with PS4 tier performance would be most likely be Switch 2.

But like we wrote before, Switch Pro (1080p screen, probably bigger screen, with docked performance in handheld mode) with and Switch Mini (around 4-5" 720p screen with stronger battery) with Tegra x2 is probably what will be Switch revisions.

 

 

jonathanalis said:

knowing nintendo, id bet in something a little diferent.

In 2020 a switch version using x2, but with the same size and power of regular switch. With a few changes: 1080p screen, and portable mode with the same performance as regular switch dock mode. Optionaly, the user could set to batery save mode, that would slow the clock and perform like regular switch, bt with 50% more batery life.

In such way, the development would be the same, targeting reglar and dock mode regular switch. Also regular switch could still run every game, giving a full 7 to 8 years support to the regular switch. Nintendo showed a not sucessful experience with new 3DS excusives. Is better every switch being able to run every upcoming switch game.

Agree, I would just add and Switch Mini, around 4-5" 720p screen with strong battery, just for handheld play, with lower price point. Maybe even Switch just for home console play.

 

Soundwave said:
I think he's speaking more than just "an extra year or two". A 5 year versus 6 year cycle is not really that different. 

5 year versus a 9 year cycle ... now that's different.

I was thinking about 6-7 years life span similar like DS and 3DS, last few their home consoles had lifespan around 5 years.

Maybe, I'm just saying ... maybe just maybe a system that has already broken virtually every other "hardware rule" may not be bound by the conventional 1980s hardware upgrade path you think. 

What would a "Switch 2" even be? Just a Switch, with a better chipset .... so why even start from zero? A more streamlined continuing generation just with a hardware refresh in that case makes a certain degree of sense. 

Once they went with the hybrid approach IMO, all bets for anything else being "the same as the past" went out the window. 

6-7 year cycle isn't much different from the standard 5 year cycle. Adopting a cycle more akin to modern tablets/smartphones would be different though, and I think would suit the Switch well. 



I doubt this.
I basically think there will be a Switch 2, with newer chips (more power) inside soon, like 4 years from now.



Soundwave said:
Miyamotoo said:

Too much power for just revisons, I don't think Miyamoto have something that on mind, that Switch Pro with PS4 tier performance would be most likely be Switch 2.

But like we wrote before, Switch Pro (1080p screen, probably bigger screen, with docked performance in handheld mode) with and Switch Mini (around 4-5" 720p screen with stronger battery) with Tegra x2 is probably what will be Switch revisions.

 

 

Agree, I would just add and Switch Mini, around 4-5" 720p screen with strong battery, just for handheld play, with lower price point. Maybe even Switch just for home console play.

 

I was thinking about 6-7 years life span similar like DS and 3DS, last few their home consoles had lifespan around 5 years.

Maybe, I'm just saying ... maybe just maybe a system that has already broken virtually every other "hardware rule" may not be bound by the conventional 1980s hardware upgrade path you think. 

What would a "Switch 2" even be? Just a Switch, with a better chipset .... so why even start from zero? A more streamlined continuing generation just with a hardware refresh in that case makes a certain degree of sense. 

Once they went with the hybrid approach IMO, all bets for anything else being "the same as the past" went out the window. 

6-7 year cycle isn't much different from the standard 5 year cycle. Adopting a cycle more akin to modern tablets/smartphones would be different though, and I think would suit the Switch well. 

We here talking about power, Nintendo don't pursuit power, I don't see what would be point of Switch Pro that has power on level of PS4 when current Switch has enough power for its purpose. Yes, I could see that for Switch 2 in 6-7 years, but for revision of current Switch in just 3 years, I just dont see it in any case. Also Tegra X3 for Switch revision when current Switch is using X1, not gonna happen, but it's realistically we can expect Tegra X2.

Nintendo will probably include something else new for Switch 2, but of course that difference will be bigger in any case compared to Switch and Switch Pro. Like I wrote, what you wrote for your Switch Pro (Tegra X3 PS4 tier performance), Nintendo would probably call that Switch 2, not Switch Pro.

It not point about "same as the past", but what makes sense. Expecting that Nintendo will make Switch Pro with Tegra X3 in PS4 tier performance in 3 years doesn't make too much sense, and I am sure that want be case, instead we will have Switch Pro and Switch Mini with Tegra X2 around 2019.

I disagree, 1-2 years more makes huge difference in Nintendo case. Like I wrote, look life span of 3DS and how Nintendo managed 3DS revisions, they probably aiming for something similar with Switch, and that's huge difference compared to Wii U, Wii and GC.



JRPGfan said:
I doubt this.
I basically think there will be a Switch 2, with newer chips (more power) inside soon, like 4 years from now.

Switch something similar like 3DS will have few revisions that will extend Switch life, around 2019. we could easily have Switch Pro (1080p screen with same performance like in docked mode) and Switch Mini/Pocked (smaller, cheaper Switch for handheld play). There is no any need for Switch 2 so fast if Switch is selling good, but there is always need for revisions that offers different price points.



jonathanalis said:
Soundwave said:

March 2017 - Switch (Tegra X1 1/3 a XBox One performance)

Fall 2020 - Switch Pro (Tegra X3 PS4 tier performance)

Fall 2023 - Switch 4K (Tegra X5, Scorpio tier performance)

Yeah I could see that, various models built around above chipset configs.

knowing nintendo, id bet in something a little diferent.

In 2020 a switch version using x2, but with the same size and power of regular switch. With a few changes: 1080p screen, and portable mode with the same performance as regular switch dock mode. Optionaly, the user could set to batery save mode, that would slow the clock and perform like regular switch, bt with 50% more batery life.

In such way, the development would be the same, targeting reglar and dock mode regular switch. Also regular switch could still run every game, giving a full 7 to 8 years support to the regular switch. Nintendo showed a not sucessful experience with new 3DS excusives. Is better every switch being able to run every upcoming switch game.

Basically this.When a revision happens, of a more powerful Switch, this is what Nintendo is going to do, not what Soundwave described.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1