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spemanig said:
Mandalore76 said:

I see PSOne games on the Play Station Store listed at $5.99 to $9.99.  Why is it okay for Sony to charge up to $10 for it's 1st Tier of games?  But when Nintendo prices it's 1st Tier (console) games at $4.99, there is this insistence from some people that "those games are worth .50 to $1 at most".  At least Nintendo keeps it's pricing consistent per Tier.

It's not.

What are you getting at?



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spemanig said:

Then we are talking about two completely different things that have nothing to do with each other. What I'm talking is relevant to this thread. What you are is not.

Just because you would pay more for something doesn't mean it's worth what you payed for. I can easily think of every NES and SNES and N64 etc game that has ever existed that I can download now for free. I bought plenty of VC games at full price knowing they are worth pennies, if that. Like I said in this thread, I don't believe in protest spending, so I'm not going to not buy and enjoy what I want when I can afford it just because I don't think it's worth the asking price. But it definitely is not worth the asking price, which is fine. $20 a year is fine. It's much better than $5 for SMB or $8 for SMW like before.

And the idea that my digital claim is merely my assumption is silly. These are 20-30 year old games in a marketplace where they are all easily available for free and there is an infinite supply of them. In what realm of existence would the value not be driven down to pennies if not worthlessness? There are 10 year old AAA games being sold in bundles for $1 in this market place literally every month, but games 2-3 times older wouldn't be worth exponentially less? Come on.

Just because you can turn to piracy it doesn't negate the value of a game I even used your own logic to highlight the point I made, hosting digital content is also not free and never was, many 10 year old AAA games like COD and such get newer versions frequently that aren't different from the previous hence they drop in price heavily. If you're arguing age in correlation to price and quality you're misguided as value is heavily determined by the perceived quality of the product with many that people consider more timeless retaining higher prices over time and some even increasing.

It's no one else's problem if you choose to continue buying them begrudgingly that's on your own head.



taus90 said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

People are fine with $60 a year for consoles that wont see Mario Kart, Smash, Splatoon, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, etc. so that shouldn't be a problem for Switch.

Value-wise it's not better, but that's why it's cheaper, which makes it better for the majority of people who are only buying subscriptions because online play is locked behind them.

Thats your Point! I'm pretty sure people showed that they are fine not playing those same nintendo exclusives on wii U that too with free online play over the third party multiplayer games with $60 online fee. So No none of the nintendo exclusive will be enough to compete with $60 and third party multiplayer games.

But that's just it, they are fine not playing those games... on Wii U. The Switch isn't a Wii U however, for one it'll actually be getting Pokemon and Animal Crossing. Your logic is the equivalent to saying people don't care about Sony exclusives and third partys going by the Vita. I probably shoulda worded it better, but my point was Nintendo still has plenty of online games that people are going to buy subscriptions to play. Those third party games aren't stopping people from buying a Switch in the first place so not sure what you're getting at there.



Mystro-Sama said:
Seems reasonable but i'm still mad we have to pay for something that should be free in the first place.

Why should online play be free?



jason1637 said:
Mystro-Sama said:
Seems reasonable but i'm still mad we have to pay for something that should be free in the first place.

Why should online play be free?

Because we already bought the game in full, we own it completely. The only reason they've made it pay to play is to weasel more money out of us.



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Wyrdness said:

Just because you can turn to piracy it doesn't negate the value of a game. I even used your own logic to highlight the point I made. Hosting digital content is also not free and never was. Many 10 year old AAA games like COD and such get newer versions frequently that aren't different from the previous hence they drop in price heavily. If you're arguing age in correlation to price and quality you're misguided as value is heavily determined by the perceived quality of the product with many that people consider more timeless retaining higher prices over time and some even increasing.

It's no one else's problem if you choose to continue buying them begrudgingly that's on your own head.

It actually does. The market place isn't blind to wrong doing. It's the whole reason streaming and subscription platforms like Spotify and Netflix exist, thrive, and have largely replaced their predecessors in the first place. They're a direct market reaction to piracy. People can get all of this stuff for free now, and it's so rampant that it can't be policed or ignored. The marketplace changed, and companies have adjusted to accommedate that. Just because you don't like piracy, and you shouldn't, doesn't mean it hasn't tremendously depreciated the value of literally every form of media including games, and especially old games that also have to deal with being old. Not to state the obvious, but most people pirate old games as a means to avoid buying them. So the percieved value of these games to most people is a wopping $0.

This entire Switch subscription is an admission by Nintendo that these games aren't worth what they've charged and that they can't get away with charging what they have if they want to make money. If they were and if they could, this wouldn't exist.

I don't buy anything begrudgingly and I never said it was a problem, let alone someone elses. Consider it a joyous donation. I'm not mad that Nintendo overcharges for VC games. I'm not Jim Sterling. I'm just not oblivious to the fact that they absolutely do and have.



Einsam_Delphin said:
jason1637 said:

Why should online play be free?

Because we already bought the game in full, we own it completely. The only reason they've made it pay to play is to weasel more money out of us.

You bought the game yes so you can play SP content for free while MP is made specifically for those that pay a subscription. 



jason1637 said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

Because we already bought the game in full, we own it completely. The only reason they've made it pay to play is to weasel more money out of us.

You bought the game yes so you can play SP content for free while MP is made specifically for those that pay a subscription. 

lol no it isn't, I don't have to pay to play Smash locally (or at all currently). Do you work for Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo? I can't see why else one would try to defend the undefendable.



Einsam_Delphin said:
jason1637 said:

You bought the game yes so you can play SP content for free while MP is made specifically for those that pay a subscription. 

lol no it isn't, I don't have to pay to play Smash locally (or at all currently). Do you work for Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo? I can't see why else one would try to defend the undefendable.

Why does every thread have to degrade to this? Come on, dude. You're better than that.



spemanig said:

It actually does. The market place isn't blind to wrong doing. It's the whole reason streaming and subscription platforms like Spotify and Netflix exist, thrive, and have largely replaced their predecessors in the first place. They're a direct market reaction to piracy. People can get all of this stuff for free now, and it's so rampant that it can't be policed or ignored. The marketplace changed, and companies have adjusted to accommedate that. Just because you don't like piracy, and you shouldn't, doesn't mean it hasn't tremendously depreciated the value of literally every form of media including games, and especially old games that also have to deal with being old. Not to state the obvious, but most people pirate old games as a means to avoid buying them. So the percieved value of these games to most people is a wopping $0.

This entire Switch subscription is an admission by Nintendo that these games aren't worth what they've charged and that they can't get away with charging what they have if they want to make money. If they were and if they could, this wouldn't exist.

I don't buy anything begrudgingly and I never said it was a problem, let alone someone elses. Consider it a joyous donation. I'm not mad that Nintendo overcharges for VC games. I'm not Jim Sterling. I'm just not oblivious to the fact that they absolutely do and have.

Illegal activity doesn't make the product less than what they're perceived, using piracy to back your stance is such a flawed notion because if people could they'd want everything for free even newly released games but that doesn't mean their value is 0 and the market didn't change to accomodate that no they changed to take advantage of the rise in new tech to have a platform that retains a userbase as it's the business model that has the most reach and efficiency.

The entire subscription is actually a signal of a change in direction and approach to business as the subscription will cover a range of things not just VC nowhere at any point does it signal the games not being worth what people bought them for because believe me people would still buy them if they weren't available in the subscription.

Much like what someone earliar said PS1 games like FFVII which are just as old and sold for £10 - £12 on PSN and even Steam yet we don't get the same over charging calls in those cases, when some one using the overcharging argument is shown how much it legitimately costs to buy some of the older games we get them turning to piracy to try and back their notion the latter of which is amusingly flawed because it's like someone saying they shouldn't have to pay for an iPhone because their mate robbed a batch of the back of a truck.