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vivster on 31 May 2017
Miyamotoo said:
KLXVER said:
Sony actually has competition on their consoles. PlayStation is basically the default console you buy to play most of the biggest games on. Theres not really any must have titles that everyone has to buy to make the console worth it. People buy it for many different reasons.

Agree, people who want GTA, Fifa, CoD, Star Wars, Battlefield...are defaultly buying PS4, even without 1st party games PS4 would still had great sales, PS4 1st party games are just nice addition, same goes for XB1. And that completely opposite to Nintendo consoles were people buying Nintendo console on 1st place because Mario, Pokemon, Zelda, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Splatoon....and where 3rd party games are nice addition.

That's just completely wrong. 1st party games are a lot more than just nice additions. Most people wouldn't even consider getting a PS4 if it didn't have its wide range of top notch exclusives. They have the most hype behind them. They're the reason why things like PSX exist, they're the things everyone looks forward to in their press conferences. Sony wouldn't even be close to the popularity they have today if it wasn't for their wide range of exclusives.



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bananaking21 on 31 May 2017
Miyamotoo said:

You can buy 1st party and 3rd party games digitally also, so if list is not accurate it goes in both directions, for 1st party and 3rd party.

That attach rate says that Zelda BotW currently is more popular on Switch than GTAV is on any other platform, that doesnt mean it sold better, just that has better attach rate. When you comparing attach rate on difrent platforms you need to include instal base, there is reason why every 3rd party game sold better on PS4 than it is on XB1, that because PS4 has twice bigger instal base. So if you comparing attach rate of GTAV on PS4 on XB1 offcourse you need to include instal base, offcourse you dont need instal base for comparison on same platform.

i stopped reading there. that is simply not true and you are delusional for believing other wise. im done here. 



QUAKECore89 on 31 May 2017

Describing this situation, this is their 3 main games and the truth is they're buying a PS4 just for rentals and PS+ free games monthly(take note, that's the reason why PS4 got massive library) and other entertainment apps stuff.

Also i've seen a lot of people complain about this picture like why many PS4 owners have bad taste. Though I feel the complainers, but I can't judge those owners... it's their opinion and money.

Edit: Might also need to check top selling via PlayStation Store.



Barkley on 31 May 2017
Miyamotoo said:

You can buy 1st party and 3rd party games digitally also, so if list is not accurate it goes in both directions, for 1st party and 3rd party.

That attach rate says that Zelda BotW currently is more popular on Switch than GTAV is on any other platform, that doesnt mean it sold better, just that has better attach rate. When you comparing attach rate on difrent platforms you need to include instal base, there is reason why every 3rd party game sold better on PS4 than it is on XB1, that because PS4 has twice bigger instal base. So if you comparing attach rate of GTAV on PS4 on XB1 offcourse you need to include instal base, offcourse you dont need instal base for comparison on same platform.

What are you even saying here? You go on about needing to include install-base when discussing attach rate... the figure for attach rate already takes installbase into account that's the whole point of "attach-rate" it's impossible to not include the install-base.

But susing attach rate for that bolded statement... wow.



mjk45 on 31 May 2017
Miyamotoo said:
vivster said:

And all Sony games are popular. PS4 has a very diverse audience, which means sales are spread across a lot more games.

Sony so far has released 15! 1st party games that all sold above 1m. All of them completely different style and genre. They cater to all tastes and each of their games has a sizeable audience. Not to mention they all have to compete with a very strong 3rd party lineup that is just not present on other platforms. People have a finite a mount of money and that sometimes people chose a 3rd party game over a 1st party game because they have a limited amount to spend does not mean Sony's 1st party games aren't popular. They are the reason for the vast majority of PS4 buyers to actually get the console.

How you can misconstrue that as Sony games not being popular is beyond me.

They are far less popular than 3rd party games, this list proves that. Sony released 15 1st party games and only 3 of them managed to break in top 30 best selling PS4 games.

I would argue that 3 out of 15 in the top 30 is good when you consider the amount of games that they are competing with and 15 being a small number of  first party games, a fairer assessment would be where do they sit when you average out the sales of all PS4 games , PS4 is never going to be Nintendo and because it has such a large 3rd party presence it doesn't to be , but where it's first party gains max leverage is when your talking MS .



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S.T.A.G.E. on 31 May 2017

Dont worry, Horizon will be high on the list in no time. There will be others as well.



KingofTrolls on 31 May 2017

Sony games sell good, but they cant compete with multiplatforms juggernauts.



SkyerIst_Huiesos on 31 May 2017
Miyamotoo said:
bananaking21 said:

this list says shit, as its not accurate as VGC numbers arent. as it doesnt include digital, which is a huge portion of games sold, and your whole point is rather nonsensical and based on irrelevant data.

 

@ bolded: its not, and its a stupid way to measure the success of a game. GTA released on PS4 (60M), PS3 (85M~), 360 (85~), XB1 (30M~) and PC (steam has 40MAU). so GTA5 has a 26% attatch rate, compare that to zelda's 95% or what ever. guess Zelda > GTA5, right? right? attatch rates says so!

 

but if we use just a bit of logic, just a tiny bit mind you, you can see that GTA5 is more successfull than the entire zelda franchise. so yeah, attatch rate means shit. 

You can buy 1st party and 3rd party games digitally also, so if list is not accurate it goes in both directions, for 1st party and 3rd party.

That attach rate says that Zelda BotW currently is more popular on Switch than GTAV is on any other platform, 

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Miyamotoo on 31 May 2017
vivster said:
Miyamotoo said:

Agree, people who want GTA, Fifa, CoD, Star Wars, Battlefield...are defaultly buying PS4, even without 1st party games PS4 would still had great sales, PS4 1st party games are just nice addition, same goes for XB1. And that completely opposite to Nintendo consoles were people buying Nintendo console on 1st place because Mario, Pokemon, Zelda, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Splatoon....and where 3rd party games are nice addition.

That's just completely wrong. 1st party games are a lot more than just nice additions. Most people wouldn't even consider getting a PS4 if it didn't have its wide range of top notch exclusives. They have the most hype behind them. They're the reason why things like PSX exist, they're the things everyone looks forward to in their press conferences. Sony wouldn't even be close to the popularity they have today if it wasn't for their wide range of exclusives.

That's not true, if that is true 1st party games would be much higher on list, you woldnt had only 3 1st party games that sold above 3m, most people are buying PS4 for 3rd party games on 1st place and sales proves that.

 

 

 

bananaking21 said:
Miyamotoo said:

You can buy 1st party and 3rd party games digitally also, so if list is not accurate it goes in both directions, for 1st party and 3rd party.

That attach rate says that Zelda BotW currently is more popular on Switch than GTAV is on any other platform, that doesnt mean it sold better, just that has better attach rate. When you comparing attach rate on difrent platforms you need to include instal base, there is reason why every 3rd party game sold better on PS4 than it is on XB1, that because PS4 has twice bigger instal base. So if you comparing attach rate of GTAV on PS4 on XB1 offcourse you need to include instal base, offcourse you dont need instal base for comparison on same platform.

i stopped reading there. that is simply not true and you are delusional for believing other wise. im done here. 

You dont know what are you talking about, curently around 8/10 Switch owners bouth Zelda BotW, curently around 1/4 PS4 owners bought GTA V, if you have attach rate, around 80% owner bouth Zelda BotW and around 25% bouth GTV on PS4, that basically proves that Zelda BotW is currently more popular on Switch than it is GTAV on PS4, but attach rate of some game doesnt means better sales. Attach rate tells us how much some games is popular on some platform.

 

Ka-pi96 said:
Miyamotoo said:

You can buy 1st party and 3rd party games digitally also, so if list is not accurate it goes in both directions, for 1st party and 3rd party.

That attach rate says that Zelda BotW currently is more popular on Switch than GTAV is on any other platform, that doesnt mean it sold better, just that has better attach rate. When you comparing attach rate on difrent platforms you need to include instal base, there is reason why every 3rd party game sold better on PS4 than it is on XB1, that because PS4 has twice bigger instal base. So if you comparing attach rate of GTAV on PS4 on XB1 offcourse you need to include instal base, offcourse you dont need instal base for comparison on same platform.

That's simply incorrect. While sales don't necessarily indicate popularity in the first place, they'd still suggest that the game that sells more units is the more popular regardless...

 

Barkley said:
Miyamotoo said:

You can buy 1st party and 3rd party games digitally also, so if list is not accurate it goes in both directions, for 1st party and 3rd party.

That attach rate says that Zelda BotW currently is more popular on Switch than GTAV is on any other platform, that doesnt mean it sold better, just that has better attach rate. When you comparing attach rate on difrent platforms you need to include instal base, there is reason why every 3rd party game sold better on PS4 than it is on XB1, that because PS4 has twice bigger instal base. So if you comparing attach rate of GTAV on PS4 on XB1 offcourse you need to include instal base, offcourse you dont need instal base for comparison on same platform.

What are you even saying here? You go on about needing to include install-base when discussing attach rate... the figure for attach rate already takes installbase into account that's the whole point of "attach-rate" it's impossible to not include the install-base.

But susing attach rate for that bolded statement... wow.

Curently around 8/10 Switch owners bouth Zelda BotW, curently around 1/4 PS4 owners bought GTA V, if you want attach rate, around 80% owner bouth Zelda BotW and around 25% bouth GTV on PS4, that basically proves that Zelda BotW is currently more popular on Switch than is GTAV on PS4, but attach rate of some game doesnt means better sales. Its actualy very simple. Attach rate tells us how much some games is popular on some platform.



mjk45 on 31 May 2017
Barkley said:
Miyamotoo said:

It not same logic, logic is that you have only 3 1st party games in top 30 best selling games.

You're trying to spin this into a bad thing though, why is it bad that third party games are doing so well? It'd only be bad if these games that sell so well weren't on the system.

You could also spin it to say 3 1st party games in top 15.



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