^^ I know I played with Ganon in melee too ....he might be slower but his moves hurt alot more it seems in brawl . we can have a ganon vs ganon fight soon ^_^

I don't know, I usually don't try and I get it perfectly! o_o

I guess it just comes more naturally this time around. In Melee, they made the shield system a lot more complex (you could just gently push the L/R-triggers, or you could push it completely and make a totally different shield effect), and I think that's what made it more complicated compared to Brawl's system where you just have to push the shield completely at the perfect timing. I was never certain how to pull it off in Melee, sometimes I got it and I thought I didn't push the trigger completely or vice versa.

*EDIT: @brawl: Nah, some of his new moves are just disappointing... His strong forward and back aerials are a bit weaker (and there's a learning curve), his forward+B is easily dodgeable when playing against good players that know what they're doing, is down+B can pass through opponent characters when they are too close to him and he his, in general, a bit slower in all of his moves (yep, no L-cancelling in Brawl, sadly). He's still fun to play with though because not a lot of people play him.

You could also up shield and down shield in Melee.  Speaking of which, I haven't tried those in Brawl.

Edit:  You can only down shield in Brawl if you're already crouching.  You can also back/forward shield if you start out crouching.  O.o

Oh, another technique I'm missing from Melee is the ''resistance crouch'' (I'm so creative with the names!). Whenever an opponent character would perform an attack (even a Smash attack), you could just crouch and ''absorb some of the shock.'' That way, you would not fly long distances or you would practically not move a bit (like a rock!), so Down+A and combos were then easy to perform.

Meh, this makes me think, where's the veteran prestige in Brawl? Forcing us to get used to a totally new engine. Ugggh! @_@ 

well I think brawl made it more even then melee was ...every character seems more balance imo.

It doesn't really make a difference to me, I usually picked Random in Melee too and I was good with a good amount of characters. Now in Brawl, there's at least a real button for it! I guess my only real main was Ganondorf, but I still didn't play with him all the time.

Ike is still a son of a b**** (this thread was about your thoughts on Ike, right?)!

not my thread :) ....we took it over with brawl spam . ike is not difficult to fight but add a lil lag he a monster.

Yeah... And then I could start a discussion about how I dislike the lag in Brawl (what were Nintendo thinking!), but it would be more spam and there's already enough of it! xD

I just got my ass handed to me by tao.
I really felt Ike's lack of speed.
I don't see how you guys can call him cheap. >_>

Tao doesn't lag BTW.
I think Nintendo's server just can't handle 4 player brawls today.

I notice you have captain falcon in your sig ...haven't seen you use him yet ....I love the falcon punch on that pokemon level I came in got Wow and your brother was funny as hell.! Nothing like falcon punch pwnage!

Edit: i told you taomaster doesn't lag most the time I brawled him 6+ hours straight no lag ...it the server sometimes.