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Horrific and utterly pointless. It won't change people's behaviour or do anything positive towards their goals. Half a million people die in the uk a year, its insignificant statistically. It builds resentment against muslims around the world and many of the muslim nations are a wasteland with muslims being the main victims of these organisations. By bankrupting and ruining these muslim nations they have massively damaged and reduced their influence in the world. How many muslim nations are even capable of defending their nations nowadays, it's much reduced. If Saudi Arabia and Iran ever go to war destroying their infrastructure and commercial centres it will again reduce further. How much further will the region decline before they end this madness and start rebuilding their economies. It's terrible what happened in Manchester but the main victims will always be the decent law abiding muslims who have to try and survive in these destroyed nations amongst large numbers of extremists.



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Frank_kc said:
Just a few points to clear things to misinformed people:

- ISIS and Al Qaeda are a creation of the west... Both were created by USA... first, Al Qaeda and Bin laden were created and funded by USA to fight against the soviets in Afghanistan..... ISIS was created also by USA as it provided an environment to create such group by destroying Iraq (fake lie of WMD)..and allowing Iran in Iraq which allowed all kind of extremists to jump in and create what is called ISIS today.

- ISIS doesn't represent ISLAM, more Muslims are killed by ISIS on daily basis more than any other people in the world.

- ISIS is created to make ISLAM look bad and create hate among Western toward ISLAM.


- I feel sorry for the people who died in Manchester.... and feel sympathy with their families... There is nothing that can justify killing innocent teenagers and kids.



Finally..... did any one hear about the speeding car that plowed into pedestrians in Manhattan's Times Square in new York last week.... do you know why no one is talking about it?

Because it was done by a none Muslim,, otherwise, this would be all over the world news .... the attacker will be eventually called a psycho and mentally unstable.... while a Muslim doing the same thing is called a terrorist.


He is a drunk driver.  His motive is stupidity - not religion.  While still tragic, it's a huge difference.



You guys need to understand that Islam is not the same where ever you go.

EX: Islam in Indonesia is not the same as Saudi Arabia. Islam in Kuwait is not the same as in Iran. Jordan is not the same as Pakistan. Islam in Turkey and Morocco is not the same as in Iraq.



mountaindewslave said:
Aeolus451 said:

dude not sure what your point was with that graph because those numbers are terrifying. The concept that 30% of Palestenians were willing to say that suicide bombing was okay in a survey is crazy. if even 10% of Middle Easterns think that then that would be millions upon millions of people who are fine with that sort of thing.

 

Now obviously this sort of extremism is more a result of the culture and pressure and regimes....  I sympathize with a lot of people in parts of the world where you can be killed if you speak against the group in power. But it doesn't make it any less concerning 

Well the point of it was to dispell the myth that there's only a few thousand islamic terrorists. Out of a religion of 1.2 billion, there's likely millions of extremists within the religion around the world. I'm not saying the whole religion is like that but a good portion of it is.

I can understand why muslims try to hide or convince others that is not true. No group likes to admit that they have more than few bad apples in them but the left for some reason is trying to obscure the whole truth about Islam. I also don't understand why they're against vetting them much more than we do now. Here's some data on this that is also just as disturbing. 

 

The most interesting parts of these are the "favorable" and "don't know" percentages. 



Seventizz said:
Frank_kc said:
Just a few points to clear things to misinformed people:

- ISIS and Al Qaeda are a creation of the west... Both were created by USA... first, Al Qaeda and Bin laden were created and funded by USA to fight against the soviets in Afghanistan..... ISIS was created also by USA as it provided an environment to create such group by destroying Iraq (fake lie of WMD)..and allowing Iran in Iraq which allowed all kind of extremists to jump in and create what is called ISIS today.

- ISIS doesn't represent ISLAM, more Muslims are killed by ISIS on daily basis more than any other people in the world.

- ISIS is created to make ISLAM look bad and create hate among Western toward ISLAM.


- I feel sorry for the people who died in Manchester.... and feel sympathy with their families... There is nothing that can justify killing innocent teenagers and kids.



Finally..... did any one hear about the speeding car that plowed into pedestrians in Manhattan's Times Square in new York last week.... do you know why no one is talking about it?

Because it was done by a none Muslim,, otherwise, this would be all over the world news .... the attacker will be eventually called a psycho and mentally unstable.... while a Muslim doing the same thing is called a terrorist.


He is a drunk driver.  His motive is stupidity - not religion.  While still tragic, it's a huge difference.

 

So being drunk is an excuse to kill innocent people? isnt that a crime? i am sorry i was wrong in my explenation of finding an excuse for a killer being mentally unstable... he was only drunk... it is ok to kill people when you are drunk... I can go in the media and say all the people who were killed in europe in the same way were killed by a drunk driver....see it is very easy.... media can manipulate people toward what they want people to think.

 

Did you see the video by the way? do you think a drunk driver can do that?



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betacon said:

we need to admit and look at the problems or nothign with change.

I told you what they are.  It's the quran and islam.  Look, I didn't summarize we actually do it - but if you want a solution, there it is.  You know where the polls lie with its believers.  The moderates aren't winning that battle.



DarthVolod said:
konnichiwa said:
Would not be that strange, we just had trump's speech and this could be a reaction to it? And Trump comes this week to Brussels maybe I should leave the city.

Lol somehow this is Trump's fault? 

I had a canker sore last week too ... Trump has to be connected. 

Even when this was retaliation after Trump's speech I would not blame Trump for it. 






barneystinson69 said:
konnichiwa said:

He didn't say that.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sadiq-khan-london-mayor-terrorism-attacks-part-and-parcel-major-cities-new-york-bombing-a7322846.html

Quoted the wrong person.






Seventizz said:
betacon said:

we need to admit and look at the problems or nothign with change.

I told you what they are.  It's the quran and islam.  Look, I didn't summarize we actually do it - but if you want a solution, there it is.  You know where the polls lie with its believers.  The moderates aren't winning that battle.

It's not, like the bible isn't the sole cause for catholics killing gays and people on acts of blasphemy. Couple hundred years didn't magically make the bible good, there's a problem within not with and ignoring it wont stop the suffering, most of which are muslims in the middle east.



Why is everyone still so shocked by these incidents. I already for told since Paris that one major attack per six months is standard in Europe these days. Stop spending so much attention about it and just accept it. Just feel sorry for ghe victims and move on to the next 6 months without a major incident.



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar