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Seventizz said:
Lafiel said:

and how many western people would support the failed airstrikes on syrian hospitals/weddings when asked? hundreds of millions of people

What do you suggest?  Allow isis to conquer country after country holding millions of innocent people hostage?  Is that better?

 

I would suggest that the CIA to stop creating them, and the government to stop weaponizing them in the first place.



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Seventizz said:
Lafiel said:

and how many western people would support the failed airstrikes on syrian hospitals/weddings when asked? hundreds of millions of people

What do you suggest?  Allow isis to conquer country after country holding millions of innocent people hostage?  Is that better?

ISIS never had a chance to conquer anything beyond what they achieved, as they filled a local power vacuum mostly established by freedom-bombs and a fatal 7 year drought - other local powers had an interest to keep ISIS active, that's why they survived for years

btw funny that you now classify the people living there as innocent, while simultanously calling for extreme discrimination against their religion

betacon said:
Lafiel said:

and how many western people would support the failed airstrikes on syrian hospitals/weddings when asked? hundreds of millions of people

Not comparing a like for a like there are we? keep that head buried.

broken record much?



Lafiel said:
Seventizz said:

What do you suggest?  Allow isis to conquer country after country holding millions of innocent people hostage?  Is that better?

ISIS never had a chance to conquer anything beyond what they achieved, as they filled a local power vacuum mostly established by freedom-bombs and a fatal 7 year drought - other local powers had an interest to keep ISIS active, that's why they survived for years

btw funny that you now classify the people living there as innocent, while simultanously calling for extreme discrimination against their religion

betacon said:

Not comparing a like for a like there are we? keep that head buried.

broken record much?

How so? Please explain exactly how i'm a broken record, typical lazy post which ignored what i actually said.



betacon said:

How so? Please explain exactly how i'm a broken record, typical lazy post which ignored what i actually said.

lol, the irony



Barozi said:
Seventizz said:

You got a better idea?  Because nothing's worked so far.  Hell, we can't even liberate their homeland without senseless retaliation at home.

Integration, better education (for everyone), increasing the acceptance of all religions, fighting youth unemployment, destroying ISIS and hoping that the next terror organisation won't be as popular and professional, increasing the standard of living in those problematic regions etc.

Nothing has worked so far because A: it takes quite some time and B: it takes a lot of effort and money. The path is correct but there's too much talking going on and too few actions.

Have you read any excerpts of the quran?  Because isis follows it verbatim.  All the points you bring up are being done throughout the EU and yet you continually witness migrants not wanting to integrate, better themselves, or adapt to their new country.  And the ones that do, have offspring that rebel against their parents (like all teenagers do) by seeking out extremist groups as a way to identify with their heritage.

A social safety net is there to assist - not live your life by.  You have to want to assimilate (which I think you're suggesting).  The quran and Islam are barriers to accepting a truely western way of life.



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vivster said:
mountaindewslave said:

if its Muslim extremists maybe this will be a wake up call to some of these Western European nations to stop allowing a giant influx of people with opposite cultures and beliefs. Inviting your neighbors into your house is only a nice concept if you coexist well... which is not necessarily possible if the cultures you share (or rather don't share) is very limited. 

Obviously at this point in time I don't think the cause for this terrorism is confirmed. Maybe it was individual lunatics, maybe some fanatics of some random organization, maybe some other religion-

but if it was yet another Western European Muslim extremist attack then I truly hope its a wake up call.

 

and this is extremely relevant because in recent times there has been a massive allowance of influx of refugees into Western Europe. Not only can that destroy economies but it also can get people killed if two opposite cultures collide.

It'd be the same thing as if thousands of Christians suddenly immigrated to the capital of Iran- it'd be a nightmare most likely. There's nothing racist or discriminatory or unfair with understanding that to SOME degree the safe and logical thing in life is to have some level of boundaries and seperation between cultures. If anything understanding that is in fact RESPECTING the fact that there are so many varying and different cultures and beliefies in the world

 

doesn't mean one is necessarily wrong or right inherently. But the reality is what we keep seeing are immigrants from Islamic countries flowing into the West and terrorism. We're not seeing Bhuddists or Christans flow into the Middle East blowing up their mosques or football stadiums.

 

 

At any rate whoever the perputrators are, hopefully they're found and given as little attention as possible. The last thing we want is to glorify the killers here and give them what they want (whether they're alive anymore)- attention and a legacy.

terrible tragedy for those involved. More than the dead, I sympathize with their loved ones who will be left behind to miss them

That's a fallacy. None of the terrorists so far were random people who only got in among refugees. All of them were legal citizens. Meaning that even with closed borders those people will get what they want. Closing borders is certainly not a solution to this problem. There simply is no solution and people pretending they have a simple solution clearly have no idea what they're talking about.

The problem is not borders or islam. The problem is a general acceptance of religion and the lax treatment of obviously harmful individuals. If you let people believe and make them think that harmful ideologies are ok then of course you will breed terrorists. What needs to be fixed is not the borders or security, what needs to be fixed is people's attitude towards lunatics and other harmful individuals.

Seeing the latest developments in the Amri case, there seems to be a system behing the lax attitude towars harmful individuals. It is very likely he got protected, so that the americans would be able to decimate his terror cell in due time. The berlin attack has been one of the most preventable ones in recent memory and they willingly sacrificed those people 'for the greater good'.

When 'the war on terror' reaches these absurdist extremes where an attack isn't prevented so that a terror cell in a foreign coutry can be taken out, supposedly to prevent these attacks from happening, you know things are spinning out of control.



Lafiel said:
betacon said:

How so? Please explain exactly how i'm a broken record, typical lazy post which ignored what i actually said.

lol, the irony

Not going to try and back up your claim are you? Hint you can't

Oh the irony!!

 

 

 





 

 

btw funny that you now classify the people living there as innocent, while simultanously calling for extreme discrimination against their religion

I'm talking about banning islam in the UK/Western democracies to curb extremism - not around the globe.

 

 



Just a few points to clear things to misinformed people:

- ISIS and Al Qaeda are a creation of the west... Both were created by USA... first, Al Qaeda and Bin laden were created and funded by USA to fight against the soviets in Afghanistan..... ISIS was created also by USA as it provided an environment to create such group by destroying Iraq (fake lie of WMD)..and allowing Iran in Iraq which allowed all kind of extremists to jump in and create what is called ISIS today.

- ISIS doesn't represent ISLAM, more Muslims are killed by ISIS on daily basis more than any other people in the world.

- ISIS is created to make ISLAM look bad and create hate among Western toward ISLAM.


- I feel sorry for the people who died in Manchester.... and feel sympathy with their families... There is nothing that can justify killing innocent teenagers and kids.



Finally..... did any one hear about the speeding car that plowed into pedestrians in Manhattan's Times Square in new York last week.... do you know why no one is talking about it?

Because it was done by a none Muslim,, otherwise, this would be all over the world news .... the attacker will be eventually called a psycho and mentally unstable.... while a Muslim doing the same thing is called a terrorist.




Seventizz said:

 

I'm talking about banning islam in the UK/Western democracies to curb extremism - not around the globe.

 

No banning Islam is horrible and no the answer, any reilgion/race should be welcomed but tougher screening and monitoring needs to be implemented to protect people living in our countries( that applies to both people born and moved there). It was only couple generations ago barbic acts occured in countries like America and Australia, that was stopped due to people stepping out, things can chnage quickly but we need to admit and look at the problems or nothign with change.