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Its gonna release this year right? I want to build a new computer for work and some games. ryzen is perfect but graphics wise AMD has nothing intresting for me hopefully their new cards will be somewhat on the level of 1070 and close in price



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Ultr said:
Its gonna release this year right? I want to build a new computer for work and some games. ryzen is perfect but graphics wise AMD has nothing intresting for me hopefully their new cards will be somewhat on the level of 1070 and close in price

Vega 11 should be about 1070 range with a similar price. However I don't know if that will release this year.



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Pemalite said:
shikamaru317 said:

Some specs for 1 of the 3 Vega SKU's leaked recently:



Only problem is, we don't know where that leaked SKU falls on the heirarchy. If it's the most powerful Vega chipset, it's kind of dissapointing, 12.5 AMD tflops is not likely to beat the 11 tflop 1080ti, let alone the 12 tflop Titan XP. If it's the middle or lowest Vega chipset though, it sounds pretty good, sounds like it can at least beat the standard 1080, which would be great depending on pricing. I'm hearing that the slowest of the 3 is going to be faster than the 1070, which suggests this might be the middle SKU.


Those specs have been known for over a year already. It's not really new.

However, according to the 3D Mark leak, Vega had a core clock of 1.2Ghz.

4096 Shaders * 2 instructions * 1.2Ghz Core clock. = 9.8 Teraflops. And that fits nicely in the roughly doubling of a Radeon RX 470/570.

We also need to keep in mind that Vega's NCU architecture adopts many of the advancements found in Maxwell and Pascal, so the amount of work it should be able to do should be vastly superior to that of Polaris and older Graphics Core Next designs.

With that, don't compare AMD's flops against nVidia's. It will never end well, it's inaccurate and doesn't tell the entire story, Especially when the chippy's aren't even on the market yet.

There is one thing worth remembering:

If Polaris can achieve 1,300MHz in the 580/70 and Vega's architecture is designed to achieve higher clock speeds, then that 1.2GHz from the engeenering sample used in the leaked benchmarks is not representative of the final performandce of the card.

Also, there's the idea (I don't remember where it comes from) that Vega will be a 12.5TFlops chip, which would put the end card at 1.5GHz.



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vivster said:
Ultr said:
Its gonna release this year right? I want to build a new computer for work and some games. ryzen is perfect but graphics wise AMD has nothing intresting for me hopefully their new cards will be somewhat on the level of 1070 and close in price

Vega 11 should be about 1070 range with a similar price. However I don't know if that will release this year.

thx. I will be following it closely as after ryzen I am really intrested what their graphics cards have to offer



vivster said:

AMD cards have been cheaper for years at a similar performance level. To gain any share AMD GPUs need to be both better and cheaper.

AMD also needs to beat Nvidia's flagship no matter the price. If the hailed Vega 10 does not come close to a 1080ti, which is not much more than a beefed up Maxwell, they will lose a lot of respect.

True. They have been cheaper at a similar performance level. But they have also consumed more power.

I don't believe AMD needs to beat nVidia's flagship, Polaris was a financial success and never achieved it, I mean it would be nice, competition is fantastic. I just don't think it will happen if the last half decade is any indication. (And I will love to be proven wrong, so get to it AMD!)


JEMC said:

There is one thing worth remembering:

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If Polaris can achieve 1,300MHz in the 580/70 and Vega's architecture is designed to achieve higher clock speeds, then that 1.2GHz from the engeenering sample used in the leaked benchmarks is not representative of the final performandce of the card.

Also, there's the idea (I don't remember where it comes from) that Vega will be a 12.5TFlops chip, which would put the end card at 1.5GHz.

The RX 580 tapped into those "Higher clocks" as well.

I am basing the Vega clock entirely on the 3D Mark leak. 1.2ghz isn't entirely unreasonable.





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Pemalite said:
vivster said:

AMD cards have been cheaper for years at a similar performance level. To gain any share AMD GPUs need to be both better and cheaper.

AMD also needs to beat Nvidia's flagship no matter the price. If the hailed Vega 10 does not come close to a 1080ti, which is not much more than a beefed up Maxwell, they will lose a lot of respect.

True. They have been cheaper at a similar performance level. But they have also consumed more power.

I don't believe AMD needs to beat nVidia's flagship, Polaris was a financial success and never achieved it, I mean it would be nice, competition is fantastic. I just don't think it will happen if the last half decade is any indication. (And I will love to be proven wrong, so get to it AMD!)

Being profitable once with one series isn't something a company should strive for, nor is it sustainaiable with a ridiculously strong competitor like Nvidia. AMD has an image problem and one way to solve this is to be able to claim to have the strongest GPU on the market. Doesn't even matter how much it costs. It needs to be in people's minds that AMD can provide power even if they don't have the funds to buy it. It will drum up a lot of good will and confidence in consumers.

Usually it shouldn't be hard since Nvidia and AMD have staggered new GPUs so there was a time when AMD could claim superiority once their new gen hits the market. But now they're hitting the market and it has zero impact because their newest generation of GPUs can't even handle a year old architecture.

To gain any momentum from Vega they need to be on par with a 1080ti. Everything else is bollocks. Otherwise they would have to follow up really quickly with Navi to somehow contain Volta.



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I predict Vega will be a nice way to round out this generation. A very late card that is great for playing PS4/XBO titles in 4K. The real evolution is coming with Navi. I don't see Vega helping AMD gain any space in the market. On the bright side, at least it won't be the 400/500 series rebranded again.



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OdinHades said:
I fully expect AMD to get absolutely destroyed by Nvidia. Seriously, from what I'm hearing it can't even beat Pascal and is supposed to release in Q2 2018? That's about the same time that Volta is expected to hit the streets. That's gonne be real ugly. So maybe nothing more than a RX 680 that has to rely on low price to be attractive? I don't know, but I don't expect too much.

That was a typing error made by me, it is coming in Q2 2017.
This year.



vivster said:
Pemalite said:

True. They have been cheaper at a similar performance level. But they have also consumed more power.

I don't believe AMD needs to beat nVidia's flagship, Polaris was a financial success and never achieved it, I mean it would be nice, competition is fantastic. I just don't think it will happen if the last half decade is any indication. (And I will love to be proven wrong, so get to it AMD!)

Being profitable once with one series isn't something a company should strive for, nor is it sustainaiable with a ridiculously strong competitor like Nvidia. AMD has an image problem and one way to solve this is to be able to claim to have the strongest GPU on the market. Doesn't even matter how much it costs. It needs to be in people's minds that AMD can provide power even if they don't have the funds to buy it. It will drum up a lot of good will and confidence in consumers.

Usually it shouldn't be hard since Nvidia and AMD have staggered new GPUs so there was a time when AMD could claim superiority once their new gen hits the market. But now they're hitting the market and it has zero impact because their newest generation of GPUs can't even handle a year old architecture.

To gain any momentum from Vega they need to be on par with a 1080ti. Everything else is bollocks. Otherwise they would have to follow up really quickly with Navi to somehow contain Volta.

High-end cards aren't big sellers in terms of volume, they don't bring the bulk of the profits in, the low-end and mid-range do, they are just a Halo product to bring attention to the product lineup.

Maybe with Ryzen and Polaris being a success, AMD might have the resources now to make a true return to the High-End? Need to wait and see.

I would personally like AMD to go back to it's small-core strategy that it pushed with it's Radeon 2000, 3000, 4000 and 5000 series, then use the X2/Dual GPU single cards to push for the high-end.
The GPU's were cheap... And by using the latest DRAM technology for a bandwidth edge, keeping the cores as efficient as possible, they were able to beat nVidia in terms of price, performance and power consumption for multiple generations.




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AMD ryzen brought good value so let's hope Vega does the same