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Forums - Politics - 2017 French Election (Macron Wins 66%)

 

Who do you think will be the next President of France?

Macron 167 69.87%
 
Le Pen 72 30.13%
 
Total:239
WagnerPaiva said:
palou said:

If Macron gets elected, you change your profile pic (picture on the left, I think?) to a standard (nothing added, clean image) EU flag and add Freude Schöner Götter Funken, in bold, large and all capitals, on top of your signature. (For 2 months, starting May 10th, I think, is goodenough.) 

 

If Marine le Pen gets elected... be creative, it's your losing condition! Something similar, fitting to the political theme, some political motive I won't like (it IS a losing condition), also for 2 months, starting May 10th, so we know the definitive results. 

 

 

Also: you're allowed to mention the bet during the 2 months, if someone asks, but not make it part of your standard interface.

No way man. Lol

If you're really up to no daring, just a message saying that you lost (or me, of course) in the signature is fine. But it's much more fun when something's at stake.

 

As said, you would have full right to propose any changes to my profile as my losing condition.



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Normchacho said:
Lawlight said:

Italians mostly still believe in a secular country. No, I'm talking about things like no-go zones.

No-go zones? Like the right wing conspiracy theory about whole neighborhoods being taken over and run under sharia law? Because I'm totally fine talking about the pros and cons of immigration, but they only really work if were both on the same page as to what reality is. 

A hyper liberal denying the existence of no-go zones. Yeah, I'll believe you over policemen in Sweden...



Aeolus451 said:
Lawlight said:

Aren't you someone who's pretty sheltered? What would you know about the effects of mass immigration?

Considering his liberal points of view on most things,  he seems like anyone else who's in college or fresh out of one. So yes he's pretty sheltered on some things.

So being to college = liberal? What kind of backwards logic is that? Even more when you think that going to college/uni means you are sheltered.



Lawlight said:
Normchacho said:

No-go zones? Like the right wing conspiracy theory about whole neighborhoods being taken over and run under sharia law? Because I'm totally fine talking about the pros and cons of immigration, but they only really work if were both on the same page as to what reality is. 

A hyper liberal denying the existence of no-go zones. Yeah, I'll believe you over policemen in Sweden...

The swedish police never identified any "no go zones" in Stockholm, and have denied their existence when asked. They made a list of places where police work is particularly frequent/dangerous - a phenomen which is also known as a "bad neighbourhood". That's neither something new or something exceptionnaly frquent in Sweden. 

 

I'll take official reports over anecdotes from 2 people.



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palou said:
Lawlight said:

A hyper liberal denying the existence of no-go zones. Yeah, I'll believe you over policemen in Sweden...

The swedish police never identified any "no go zones" in Stockholm, and have denied their existence when asked. They made a list of places where police work is particularly frequent/dangerous - a phenomen which is also known as a "bad neighbourhood". That's neither something new or something exceptionnaly frquent in Sweden. 

 

I'll take official reports over anecdotes from 2 people.

Yeah, it's not the government has any agenda to deny it. Whatever you want to call them there's no denying that those "problem areas" are a result of immigrants who do not want to integrate.



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Lawlight said:
palou said:

The swedish police never identified any "no go zones" in Stockholm, and have denied their existence when asked. They made a list of places where police work is particularly frequent/dangerous - a phenomen which is also known as a "bad neighbourhood". That's neither something new or something exceptionnaly frquent in Sweden. 

 

I'll take official reports over anecdotes from 2 people.

Yeah, it's not the government has any agenda to deny it. Whatever you want to call them there's no denying that those "problem areas" are a result of immigrants who do not want to integrate.

The police and government are seperate institutions (they both deny the existence of the no-g zones.)

 

Just as a basis, however, anecdotal evidence from 2 people (that's the strongest evidence available) is simply insufficent to make such strong claims.

 

 

Also, the implication of locals most definitely CAN make a big difference in the integration of immigrant communities.



Bet with PeH: 

I win if Arms sells over 700 000 units worldwide by the end of 2017.

Bet with WagnerPaiva:

 

I win if Emmanuel Macron wins the french presidential election May 7th 2017.

palou said:
WagnerPaiva said:

No way man. Lol

If you're really up to no daring, just a message saying that you lost (or me, of course) in the signature is fine. But it's much more fun when something's at stake.

 

As said, you would have full right to propose any changes to my profile as my losing condition.

Lol. I will just add you as a friend and if Macron wins I will message you saying you´re the superior octopus-winner-picker.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

Normchacho said:
Aeolus451 said:

You can call yourself whatever the hell ya want but bernie sanders is a well known politician belonging to the democratic party with a huge platform and he calls himself a democratic socialist. The cat is a bit out of the bag. It doesn't matter if you agree with him or not. Not a single democrat complained of bernie using that term that I heard of. Some even liked it. Some probably voted for him because he described himself as such. To that bolded part, there's many types of socialism and some of bernie's political beliefs were socialist in nature. It's not that black and white. I'm sure more "democratic socialists" will sprout up on the regressive left in the near future. I'm not saying that democrats are socialists but there's clearly a prominent element of socialists mingled in there. They're definitely getting alot of support from american socialists and socialists elsewhere.  

Bernie Sanders is actually an independent. Beyond that, I'd actually like to see what positions he supports that actually make him a socialist? He supports universal healthcare, which is a mainstay of the western world outside of the US. He supports economic regulation, but that's still well on the spectrum of mixed-economics.

I really fail to see what he believes in that makes him a socialist?

He's a member of the democratic party.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2016/02/05/his-most-radical-move/?utm_term=.11210b240c96

Soon, Sanders would be quoting them all on the campaign trail, casting democratic socialism as within the most progressive traditions of the Democratic Party.

“It builds on what Franklin Delano Roosevelt said when he fought for guaranteed economic rights for all Americans,” Sanders would say in a major speech on his political identity. “And it builds on what Martin Luther King Jr. said in 1968 when he stated that ‘this country has socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for the poor.’ ”

But for now, in the New Hampshire secretary of state’s office, Sanders made his decision official. Following tradition, he left a note as he filed his candidacy, writing that it was time for a “political revolution.”

Then the democratic socialist from Vermont took the next logical step.

“I’m a Democrat,” Sanders told the crowd of reporters waiting outside.

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/03/politics/democratic-town-hall-highlights/

Meanwhile, Sanders, a self-proclaimed democratic socialist, found himself defending his own credentials as a member of the Democratic Party, noting that the party's leadership on Capitol Hill has placed him in high-ranking positions on congressional committees."Of course I am a Democrat and running for the Democratic nomination," he said.

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Bernie called himself a socialist more than a few times and the media agrees with him that he is. 

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/bernie-sanders-mayor/407413/

 

The old woman looks at him and smiles indulgently. She clearly likes the mayor. “I shouldn’t say this,” she tells him, “but I saw you on TV the other night, with my son, when they finish fixing North Avenue? And my son says to me, ‘That Mayor Sanders, he’s a communist, you know.’ And do you know what I say to him?”

Sanders shakes his head no.

“I say to my son, ‘Don’t go around saying such things where intelligent people can hear. They’ll think you are stupid.’”

She laughs, a silvery laugh, and the mayor laughs, too, and rising from the sofa, he puts his huge hands on her tiny shoulders, thanks her and makes sure Thabault has got her address.

Stopping him at the door, the woman says, “I told my son that you’re a socialist, not a communist.”

“Precisely!” the mayor shouts.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/04/29/bernie-sanders-is-an-avowed-socialist-and-democrats-are-actually-pretty-ok-with-that/?utm_term=.ac53f8fe5a49

 

When he first won election to the House in 1990, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) embraced his political identity. "I am a socialist and everyone knows that," Sanders said, responding to an ad that tried to link him to the regime of Fidel Castro.

He continued: "They also understand that my kind of democratic socialism has nothing to do with authoritarian communism."

 

 

 

 



Lawlight said:
Aeolus451 said:

Considering his liberal points of view on most things,  he seems like anyone else who's in college or fresh out of one. So yes he's pretty sheltered on some things.

So being to college = liberal? What kind of backwards logic is that? Even more when you think that going to college/uni means you are sheltered.

No, going to college doesn't mean that they are a democrat/liberal or will certainly become one but you're more likely to convert to something on the left because colleges have been teaching and pressuring their students towards that. It's not far from democrat factories. I think that people who just gobble up whatever they're told and taught without questioning anything is sheltered and I think that more college students are like that. 



Aeolus451 said:
Lawlight said:

So being to college = liberal? What kind of backwards logic is that? Even more when you think that going to college/uni means you are sheltered.

No, going to college doesn't mean that they are a democrat/liberal or will certainly become one but you're more likely to convert to something on the left because colleges have been teaching and pressuring their students towards that. It's not far from democrat factories. I think that people who just gobble up whatever they're told and taught without questioning anything is sheltered and I think that more college students are like that. 

That's assuming that they formed their beliefs during college. I was already a far-leftist before attending university. I have experienced liberalism being promoted as the "ideal" ideology, but there's only a very tiny fraction of people on the far left.