By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Gaming - SJW: Most Abused Term Ever?

VGPolyglot said:
contestgamer said:

You gave yourself away there. That may be true that its no longer a novelty but that doesn't make it any less wrong. During the crusades torrching people by the stake wasn't much of a novelty either, but does that mean we should stop bringing attention to it and shaming it? No. In 20 years you might even say that transgender heros in games wont be such a novelty either, but again, does a new standard mean that we cannot fight that standard or that by virtue of being standard a standard can not be wrong? 

Wait, are you saying it's wrong for women to be leads in video games?

I'm saying that you're taking what is currently the standard and implying that by virtue of being the standard it is no longer worth fighting against it's proponents by calling them SJW's etc. Whether it's right or wrong is a personal belief, but you're taking it as a universal value that by virtue of being the standard now cannot be rightfully questioned as SJW. The fact that 30 years ago, had modern games existed, people would have been outraged at scantily clad female leads proves that it's not a universal value, it's simply a value forced in to the mainstream by past SJW's. I see no issue with people calling those kinds of people out as sjw's online - but you seem to have a dismissive attitude about it.



Around the Network
contestgamer said:
VGPolyglot said:

Wait, are you saying it's wrong for women to be leads in video games?

I'm saying that you're taking what is currently the standard and implying that by virtue of being the standard it is no longer worth fighting against it's proponents by calling them SJW's etc. Whether it's right or wrong is a personal belief, but you're taking it as a universal value that by virtue of being the standard now cannot be rightfully questioned as SJW. The fact that 30 years ago, had modern games existed, people would have been outraged at scantily clad female leads proves that it's not a universal value, it's simply a value forced in to the mainstream by past SJW's. I see no issue with people calling those kinds of people out as sjw's online - but you seem to have a dismissive attitude about it.

You didn't answer my question.



we better off without SJW and Trumpers



Slarvax said:
Since Trump became president, everything has to be labeled. You're either a SJW or a Nazi. No buts.

That sounds like something a SJW nazi would say.



VGPolyglot said:
contestgamer said:

I'm saying that you're taking what is currently the standard and implying that by virtue of being the standard it is no longer worth fighting against it's proponents by calling them SJW's etc. Whether it's right or wrong is a personal belief, but you're taking it as a universal value that by virtue of being the standard now cannot be rightfully questioned as SJW. The fact that 30 years ago, had modern games existed, people would have been outraged at scantily clad female leads proves that it's not a universal value, it's simply a value forced in to the mainstream by past SJW's. I see no issue with people calling those kinds of people out as sjw's online - but you seem to have a dismissive attitude about it.

You didn't answer my question.

I think it's OK if there is an option to pick a male gender option in those cases. I also understand that many people have a problem with it in general. It is more difficult to identify with a female lead as a man than it is to identify with a male lead as a woman (there have been studies on this) However I'm not commenting on personal opinions, I'm simply stating that just because claim something as standard doesn't mean that you should  dismiss dissenting opinions, and what you may consider standard isn't any better just because it is standard. 



Around the Network
contestgamer said:
VGPolyglot said:

You didn't answer my question.

I think it's OK in moderation, but I also understand that many people have a problem with it. It is more difficult to identify with a female lead as a man than it is to identify with a male lead as a woman (there have been studies on this) However I'm not commenting on personal opinions, I'm simply stating that just because claim something as standard doesn't mean that you should  dismiss dissenting opinions, and what you may consider standard isn't any better just because it is standard. 

What a load of bullshit



Never actually seen the term before... what does it mean?

I guess I need to spend more time in the dank corners of the internet... or maybe not...



Way overused to begin with... how is it a bad thing, secondly?

Jesus, Ghandi, and MLK were all undoubtedly SWJs and some of histories most important figures. The real question is, what kind of person has no interest in social justice and equality?

Oligarchs, tyrants, and fascists are the only types I can think of and (as much as the left often paints the right that way) there are very few human beings that really fall into those categories.

Meaning... pretty much only 15 year olds and mental 15 year olds, who just came off reading Ayn Rand, actually fall into that category - with the exception of a few third-world dictators.



Retro Tech Select - My Youtube channel. Covers throwback consumer electronics with a focus on "vid'ya games."

Latest Video: Top 12: Best Games on the N64 - Special Features, Episode 7

Goodnightmoon said:
contestgamer said:

I think it's OK in moderation, but I also understand that many people have a problem with it. It is more difficult to identify with a female lead as a man than it is to identify with a male lead as a woman (there have been studies on this) However I'm not commenting on personal opinions, I'm simply stating that just because claim something as standard doesn't mean that you should  dismiss dissenting opinions, and what you may consider standard isn't any better just because it is standard. 

What a load of bullshit

There have been studies on this. It is a fact whether you like it or not. Men show a larger preference for male leads than do females for female leads in fiction.



StuOhQ said:

Way overused to begin with... how is it a bad thing, secondly?

Jesus, Ghandi, and MLK were all undoubtedly SWJs and some of histories most important figures. The real question is, what kind of person has no interest in social justice and equality?

Oligarchs, tyrants, and fascists are the only types I can think of and (as much as the left often paints the right that way) there are very few human beings that really fall into those categories.

Meaning... pretty much only 15 year olds and mental 15 year olds, who just came off reading Ayn Rand, actually fall into that category - with the exception of a few third-world dictators.

The problem with social justice is that it hurts those groups in power. Social justice for women for example hurt all men, because prior to womens liberization men had a total control over society, it's economy, it's political and social direction, the raising of their children and the behavior of their wives and female employees in their environment. Nobody likes to lose power and by propagating equality you're qually hurting the group which benefits from that inequality. And that group isn't always a small minority, it can in fact be a pluarity like it was in the case of white males. Personally as someone of a minority racial group I'm for most forms of equality, however I can understand the resentment of those that once used to be in power and are now losing it. Equality may have helped me (in the U.S) but I'm not blind to the fact that it hurt others that previously had dominion.