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Ajax said:
so what?
the ps3 is longer out in the 3 regions
but take into account the higher price this time around and the greater competition

and all that matters is, is that the ps3 is now out everywhere just as the ps2 was at this moment
and it's on the ps2 sales line for two months now

so at this moment and in the last weeks
it's following the ps2 almost exactly in it's weekly sales and total sales wordwide

If you don't see how the comparison is misleading, then you'll be happy to know that the Wii has sold twice as many units as the PS2 at the same point in its life:

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=PS2&reg2=All&cons3=PS2&reg3=All&weeks=104

 



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so?
you make it sound like i'm some sort of nintendo-hater or sony fanboy..
like i didn't know how great the wii is doing..



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HappySqurriel said:
Ajax said:
so what?
the ps3 is longer out in the 3 regions
but take into account the higher price this time around and the greater competition

and all that matters is, is that the ps3 is now out everywhere just as the ps2 was at this moment
and it's on the ps2 sales line for two months now

so at this moment and in the last weeks
it's following the ps2 almost exactly in it's weekly sales and total sales wordwide

If you don't see how the comparison is misleading, then you'll be happy to know that the Wii has sold twice as many units as the PS2 at the same point in its life:

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=All&cons2=PS2®2=All&cons3=PS2®3=All&weeks=104

 


Liar. The Wii has sold more than twice as many units as the PS2 at this point in its life.



Forget the stupid graphs.

Any one have a month for month comaprison for PS2/PS3 in each market since launch ?



the only quentions i have are these:


is the ps3 able to maintain it's weekly sales at 110k+ throughout the summer leading up to december
and can it accelerate enough during november and december to not fall too far below the ps2 sales line..



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in its second december
the ps2 had final fantasy x in japan and america
that was a significant release


but this time around
it seems that final fantasy xiii wil even miss the ps3's third december/january in japan
and the ps3 second christmas in america


that's not so nice for sony



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fastyxx said:

It's like if the New England Patriots go 13-3 next year and lose in the AFC title game. They had a winning season most teams would love, but to them, is it good?


I hate to break it to you, but few care how great your season record was if you didn't win the Super Bowl.



Ok here is from another thread recently it perfectly explains not only why this comparison is faulty but why the PS3 will fall behind the PS2 line shortly (NOTE: this was from the 19th of march so we are two weeks farther along now).

 

Sqrl said:

WARNING: Critical thinking and the ability to read graphs required!

FACT: PS2 didn't start selling well until around week 40. Proof (this is due to a staggered launch FYI)

FACT: PS3 started to lag behind the aligned launches at around week 40. Proof

FACT: PS3 cought back up due to hitting the holidays which started to kick in around week 50 until around week 60. Proof

FACT: PS2 will pull away from the PS3 in 12 weeks when it hits it's holidays. Which is at week ~88 through ~98 in the aligned comparison you're using. Proof

FACT: PS2 was only on sale in Japan for the first 34 Weeks which is what caused this discrepency. Proof

Again if you don't account for offset launches things can be missleading, one console can surge while another idles. All you are seeing is a holiday sales spike lifting the PS3 up to the level of the PS2 temporarily, the only reason it did catch up is because as I said the PS2 didn't have a stellar first year. Take a look at this graph to see what I mean about the PS2's slow start. If you're going to use the PS2 as a barometer you need to understand the structure of its life. A console being on par with the PS2's early life is not unprecedented by any means. The GC, 360, Xbox, and PS3 all kept up for the first 40 weeks before falling behind.

By your logic the fact that at week 45 the Wii was more than double the PS2 in the aligned launches means that the Wii is destined to sell at least double the PS2. The Wii even managed to hold that pace all the way out to week 69 (the most recent week). But as this graph shows, the Wii isn't likely to maintain that ratio.

You know what...if you still don't believe me then I invite you to create a thread about it. I'm tired of explaining things to people too dedicated to the result they want to see anything else. I'll let everyone else explain why you're wrong since you don't want to believe me.

 



Direct questions to someone else.  If this doesn't explain things I'm not even going to bother trying. 

 



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Ajax - it's already behind, but in your graph the PS3 has 2 holiday sales while the PS2 only has 1. You can see a few months out that the PS2 has a big spike from its 2nd holiday that the PS3 won't be getting.

The point is, despite similar sales in Others, PS3 has less than half the sales each in Japan and NA that the PS2 had after the same number of weeks on the market.



that's why i said
that if the theories of some of the guys in this thread are true
the ps3 will fall below the ps2's ww sales line soon
just like your post predicts



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