Nuvendil said:
The Tegra X1 has multiple heat sensors built in to the SoC to ensure that it throttles at 75 C. It is a feature of the SoC to prevent overheat-related failure. Do your research.
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Uh. No. Perhaps you should learn to read? I never said that it *didn't*.
Nuvendil said:
Also, people are claiming this warp happened even with mostly handheld use. Also, thermal benchmarks have shown 4 to 5 degree differences between handheld and dock. So if in dock it was running your proposed (and ridiculous) 70 to 73 C ( which would be well above ambient unless some fool is playing their system in a house that is preposterously hot), the handheld mode would be in the mid to high 60s. And with the Switch surface temperatures being, again, 10 to 13 degrees lower (this is verified fact) around the chip, it would still be physically painful to hold while playing, say, FAST RMX in handheld and would cause *second degree burns* if you touched the screen over the chip. These temperatures would have been noticed pre-embargo.
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Great. I am not actually arguing against that.
Nuvendil said:
Lastly, the Switch has a metal frame, it is not all plastic, it has been torn down multiple times. It is reinforced with metal. And it's been a gosh darn month so the "over time" argument is just silly.
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I have seen the tear down.
And a month is enough time for plastic to warp. Remember. Not all plastics are created equal.
But do you understand what happens to some materials when they are transferred from cooler environments to warmer environments, especially Metal? They expand.
PCB for example, which is what the entire consoles processing and memory elements are connected to is prone to warping, it's a common issue with GPU's due to the added weight, GPU's with metal backplates can mitigate the problem though.
Nuvendil said:
In short, looking at the reported and confirmed real-world temperatures the Switch runs at and the temperatures the surface (that is, the plastic) can reach, this kind of warping is 99.9% certainly NOT due to overheating. Especially when you consider it's been out for only a month, so there's been little time in all reality for the heat to cause this.
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And I am not disputing any of the reportings?
Nuvendil said:
would be impossible to hit for the long periods of time needed to cause the issue and would be impossible to manifest to the degree needed without causing numerous pronounced serious issues that you would notice.
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Bullshit it's not. You cannot have sustained temperatures lower than ambient. You would be surprised how quickly a systems cooling system (which moves ambient air around, that is also being heated by the SoC) will quickly exceed the new ambient temperatures.
Any PC enthusiast can tell you that, especially if you have ever bothered with water loops, radiators etc'.
Nuvendil said:
And remember, this is an issue people didn't notice to such an extent that until they started holding their switch against straight edges they didn't even think to wonder to check.
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I agree.
Nuvendil said:
And finally, your assertion that the Switch if you take it outside will run exponentially higher...I mean for goodness sake man, heat doesn't transfer instantaneously.
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That isn't my assertion at all.
Nuvendil said:
Obviously the Switch shell has been designed to prvent thransfer of heat (hence why at the hottest the system's surface is still 10 to 15 degrees cooler and that's a 2 square inch patch of the screen) and that would work both ways.
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That is usually a design goal for any platform.
Nuvendil said:
Second of all, the heat would take time to transfer from outside to inside the system, you don't step out into a hot day and the Switch immediately jumps to that temperature.
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You are correct that if you move from a cooler space to a warmer space it does take time for the system to increase it's temperature.
But just remember, if you are playing the device in a fixed space and you have ambients of 50'C. The console will not be under 50'C. That's a fact. You can't even argue against that point.
Otherwise what you are suggesting is that the laws of Physics is incorrect.
Nuvendil said:
Now yes, if you set your Switch out in the sun for an hour or left it under the windshield of a hot car and then immediately grabbed it and turned on FAST RMX and played it for an hour, yeah you could cause an issue. But that's you being a dumbass not the system suffering a major failure.
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Which was my point from the very beginning. Ambient temperatures.