Jpcc86 said: Qwark said: since the market is in decline. Is it, tho?

This gen will not outsell gen 7 (including Wii ofcourse) and even outselling the PS360 will be tough for PS4X1. Connsidering the PS4 is not very close to PS2 it will probably be outsold by gen 6 too. Which sold  somewhere around the 200 million mark. 

barneystinson69 said: Europe = 750 million people USA = 340 million people   Not a surprise they have a large console market. Also, there are plenty of great European developers (CD Project for example), but I don't see a tech company from them which could dominate the landscape. I mean unless you count the companies that hide their money in Switzerland or Ireland, in that case you have plenty of contenders.

The companies that are hiding in Switzerland and Ireland hide from the EU, not the rest of the world.

Us Europeans are taking over! We've produced masterpieces like Horizon Zero Dawn this year and the witcher 3. Hopefully software sales keep rising.

As for a European console. The Japanese do gaming hardware best so we're happy with them. Most console people game on Nintendo and Sony so the numbers back that up.

barneystinson69 said: Europe = 750 million people USA = 340 million people   Not a surprise they have a large console market. Also, there are plenty of great European developers (CD Project for example), but I don't see a tech company from them which could dominate the landscape. I mean unless you count the companies that hide their money in Switzerland or Ireland, in that case you have plenty of contenders.

750 million, yes, but most of them are poor countries compared to the US, very very poor countries. The main market is in Germany/UK/France, and to a much lesser extent Italy and Spain, that's much less than the 340 million from the USA with all things considered.

 

$67 spent per American. $51 per German (80m people), $42 per French (66m people), $36 per Spaniard (46m people) $29 per Italian (60m people), $11 per Polak (39m people), $4 per Ukrainian (45m people)

as italian i'm happy that Europe has become Mord important, and games like horizon and detroit are the best signs for this;)

(GDP in millions $USD)

4 Germany 3,357,614
5 United Kingdom 2,849,345
6 California 2,424,033
7 France 2,421,560
9 Italy 1,815,757
11 Texas 1,648,007
13 New York 1,444,406
15 Russia 1,324,734
17 Spain 1,199,715
19 Florida 883,735
21 Illinois 764,817
22 Netherlands 738,419
23 Turkey 733,642
24 Pennsylvania 677,582
25 Switzerland 664,603
27 Ohio 592,899
29 New Jersey 573,947
31 North Carolina 503,745
32 Georgia 496,180
33 Sweden 492,618
35 Virginia 476,919
36 Poland 474,893
37 Massachusetts 473,606
38 Michigan 462,252
39 Belgium 454,687
40 Washington 446,096
42 Norway 389,482
44 Austria 374,124
45 Maryland 360,969
47 Minnesota 330,782
49 Indiana 326,538
50 Colorado 316,535
53 Tennessee 307,125
54 Wisconsin 296,971
57 Arizona 295,445
58 Denmark 294,951
62 Missouri 287,207
64 Connecticut 259,661
65 Louisiana 252,965
68 Ireland 238,031
69 Finland 229,671
70 Oregon 225,661
71 Alabama 207,303
73 Portugal 199,077
74 South Carolina 196,887
75 Greece 195,320
76 Kentucky 192,874
80 Czech Republic 181,858
81 Oklahoma 181,089
82 Romania 177,315
87 Iowa 168,089
88 Utah 146,697
89 Kansas 146,219
90 Nevada 140,608
91 Arkansas 122,492
92 District of Columbia 121,798
94 Hungary 120,636
95 Nebraska 112,208
96 Mississippi 106,880
100 New Mexico 90,810
101 Ukraine 90,524
102 Slovak Republic 86,629
105 Hawaii 79,595

Comparison of GDP among US States and European Nations

niceguygameplayer said: I added up the current console sales update for all systems: America vs Europe. Amazingly, the European sales pretty much matched American sales at 168 to 169 thousand units sold for the week. European sales were only 100 to 200 behind the US sales. Very impressive. Europe may become the dominating sales territory for games worldwide soon. Boy, have things changed since the Europeans always got the shaft and recieved games/consoles last. This is great to see. I am a US citizen, but Europe is a massive territory and it would make sense. Now we just need more creative European talent to become just as big of a force in making games. I'm sure there is so much untapped potential in this region. After all, Europe is home to most of the greatest artistry and musicians in history, in my opinion. A new European console would be a great step forward. What do you guys think?

Huh?

 

2K Czech (Mafia) - Czech Republic
4A Games (Metro) - Ukraine
Arkane Studios (Dishonored, Prey) - France
Avalanche Studios (Just Cause, Mad Max) - Sweden
Bigben Interactive (WRC, Test Drive: Unlimited 3) - France
Black Forest Games (Giana Sisters: Twisted Dreams) - Germany
Bohemia Interactive (Arma, Operation Flashpoint) - Czech Republic
Bugbear Entertainment (FlatOut) - Finland
CCP Games (Eve Online) - Iceland
CD Projekt RED (The Witcher, Cyberpunk) - Poland
Codemasters (Dirt, Grid, F1) - England
Creative Assembly (Total War, Halo Wars 2, Alien Isolation) - England
Criterion Games (Burnout) - England
Croteam (Serious Sam) - Croatia
Crytek (Crysis, Ryse) - Germany
Crytek UK (TimeSplitters) - England
D-Pad Studio (Owlboy) - Norway
Dambuster Studios (Homefront: The Revolution) - England
DICE (Battlefield, Star Wars: Battlefront, Mirror’s Edge) - Sweden
Epic Games Poland (Bulletstorm) - Poland
Facepunch Studios (Garry’s Mod, Rust) - England
Firefly Studios (Stronghold) - England
Frictional Games (Amnesia, SOMA) - Sweden
Frontier Developments (Elite, Planet Coaster, RollerCoaster Tycoon 3) - England
Frozenbyte (Trine) - Finland
Funcom (Age of Conan) – Norway
Gameloft (Order & Chaos Online, Asphalt, Modern Combat, N.O.V.A.) - France
Giants Software (Farming Simulator) - Switzerland
Guerrilla Games (Horizon: Zero Dawn, Killzone) - Netherlands
Haemimont Games (Tropico 5) - Bulgaria
Housemarque (Resogun, Super Stardust, Dead Nation) - Finland
Interceptor Entertainment (Rise of the Triad (2013)) - Denmark
IO Interactive (Hitman, Freedom Fighters) - Denmark
Jagex (RuneScape) - England
Kalypso Media (Tropico) - Germany
King Digital Entertainment (Candy Crush) - Sweden
Kiloo (Subway Surfers) - Denmark
Larian Studios (Divinity) - Belgium
MachineGames (Wolfenstein: The New Order) - Sweden
Media Molecule (LittleBigPlanet, Tearaway, Dreams) - England
Mercury Steam (Castlevania: Lords of Shadow) - Spain
Milestone S.r.l. (MotoGP, Sébastian Loeb Rally Evo) - Italy
Mojang (Minecraft) - Sweden
Ninja Theory (Hellblade, Heavenly Sword, Enslaved) - England
Novarama (Invizimals) - Spain
Overkill Software (Payday) - Sweden
Paradox Development Studio (Europa Universalis) - Sweden
Piranha Bytes (Gothic, Risen) - Germany
Playground Games (Forza Horizon) - England
Press Play (Max: The Curse of Brotherhood) - Denmark
Pyro Studios (Commandos) - Spain
Quantic Dream (Detroit: Become Human, Heavy Rain, Beyond: Two Souls) - France
Rare (Banjo-Kazooie, Conker, Perfect Dark, Killer Instinct, Sea of Thieves) - England
Rebellion Developments (Sniper Elite) - England
Red Thread Games (Dreamfall Chapters: The Longest Journey) - Norway
Remedy Entertainment (Max Payne, Alan Wake, Quantum Break) - Finland
Reto-Moto (Heroes & Generals) - Denmark
Rockstar North (Grand Theft Auto) - England
Rocksteady Studios (Batman: Arkham) - England
Rovio Entertainment (Angry Birds) - Finland
Reagent Games (Crackdown 3) - Scotland
SCS Software (Euro Truck Simulator) - Czech Republic
SIE London Studio (SingStar, PlayStation VR Worlds) - England
Splash Damage (Brink, Enemy Territory: Quake Wars) - England
Starbreeze Studios (Syndicate (2012)) - Sweden
Sumo Digital (Dead Island 2, LittleBigPlanet 3) - England
Supercell (Clash of Clans, Clash Royale, Hay Day) - Finland
TaleWorlds (Mount & Blade) - Turkey
Team17 (Worms, Alien Breed) - England
Techland (Dying Light, Dead Island, Call of Juarez) - Poland
Traveller's Tales (LEGO games) - England
Ubisoft Annecy (Steep) - France
Ubisoft Barcelona (Shape Up) - Spain
Ubisoft Blue Byte (The Settlers, Anno) - Germany
Ubisoft Bucharest (H.A.W.X) - Romania
Ubisoft Massive Entertainment (The Division, Avatar) - Sweden
Ubisoft Milan (Just Dance) - Italy
Ubisoft Montpellier (Rayman, Beyond Good & Evil 2, Zombi) - France
Ubisoft Nadeo (TrackMania) - France
Ubisoft Paris (Ghost Recon: Wildlands, Just Dance) - France
Ubisoft RedLynx (Trials) - Finland
Ubisoft Reflections (The Crew, Driver) - England
Ubisoft Sofia (Assassin’s Creed Rogue) - Bulgaria
Warhorse Studios (Kingdom Come: Deliverance) - Czech Republic
Yager Development (Spec Ops: The Line) - Germany

im sorry but this is a really dumb analysis, you used a single week of data to come to this conclusion.

Vgchartz numbers

2016
US-13.1m
EU-12.6m

2015
US-15.5m
EU-13.8m

2014
US-16.1
EU-15.6

2013
US-16.9m
EU-15.2m

2012
US-19.7m
EU-17.9m

2011
US-26m
EU-23.5m

2010
US-29.4m
EU-23.7m

2009
US-30.8m
EU-27.1m

2008
US-32.1m
EU-31.7m

Not a single year of EU being over US but its been consistently within 10%.

Thanks, Obama.

RolStoppable said: There is no desire for a European console in Europe.

Europe produced the great Philips CDI, a machine that beat thePlaystation on many level's price being one, it was a steal at $1,000 or would have been if someone was silly enough to have stolen one .

Did the Playstation have Zelda games no but the CDi did and it must have ben ultra successfull with not just one, but three games ,the first two having state of the art Russian animation are in hindsight where the series peaked , sadly the third game  by not using the same classic animation was too herald the decline of the franchise to the point that today it can barely muster 97 on metacritic, and lets not forget Mario was on that magnificent machine.

Imagine if the CDI being so far ahead of it's time had replaced the WiiU instead of the swtitch, I tell you now it would have had Nintendo being talked about everywhere and by it's mere presence would have turned peoples thoughts of the WiiU from one of failure to that of  a great success.