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specialk said:

JRPGfan said:

To me, that is him pileing on, and makeing a small issue, that only a few SJW where upset about, into a huge mess.

I thought Colin's joke was clearly a joke. And I thought it was funny. 

I take umbrage with this part though. Dismissing those who were upset as just a few SJWs is the wrong way to go IMO. No doubt we got a lot of pious "games journalists" piling on, but I think you have to look at everything in context and try to understand where everyone is coming from. 

For as much progress as the Western world has made, women still face some serious inequities. Look no further than Donald Trump. The guy is on tape describing molesting women and he's our (The United States) president now. 

I'm not equating Colin with Donald Trump, and as I said, I thought his joke was funny. But I'm trying to understand all sides here and I can see how if you're a woman who saw his joke on something that is supposed to be a day of solidarity for women, you might just be fatigued. You don't want to be the butt of another joke. 

The left has become the new moral puritans, their grounding is not religious dogma, but political correctness.

Sex is now "molestation", jokes are "assaults", truth is "hate speech", choices are "inequties", same rules for all is "discrimination" and so on.



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JRPGfan said:
Normchacho said:

I don't know if you just haven't been following what's going on with KF that closely or whatever, but you've been misrepresenting what's going on pretty badly in this thread...

rly?

What more do I need to understand, to claim what I did than this:

Colin: Ah. Peace and quiet. # Adaywithoutwomen

then this from greg:

 

 

To me, that is him pileing on, and makeing a small issue, that only a few SJW where upset about, into a huge mess.

He basically attacked him, when he choose to write this. Threw him under the bus, instead of standing by a friend of his.

Without this post, things would have been forgotten early on.

Instead this vindicated everyone that loves to hate on people, to pile on too, and the end result is Colin was basically forced to leave his work.

You should watch the first...6 minutes of so of their PAX Easty panel (link below). It was the first time that they had the opportunity to talk about it on camera and reach out to the fanbase since this whole thing happened.

Colin helped Greg write that post. Colin is the one who edited it and Greg got his okay before posting it. and as Greg says they're allowed to disagree and still be friends. He also says in the video that if that was a joke made on one of their shows it wouldn't have been anything, and it was only because you lose tone and context through something like Twitter that this turned into anything more.

They talk about it a little more in the March AMA between like 13:30 and 21:00 (link below), and that covers more of the whole "Why didn't they come out and say Colin isn't a sexist?" type stuff.

And Gregs post isn't talking about Colins joke offending people, he's talking about people fighting about it on places like Reddit, and Twitter, and Facebook. He's talking about the way memebers of the community treated each other over this. He disagreed with what Colin said and how he handled it, but he plainly says that the actual joke itself isn't a big deal.

PAX East panel: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcsFxwyolSg

March AMA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppWtKrZq7_k&t=2489s



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numberwang said:
specialk said:

I thought Colin's joke was clearly a joke. And I thought it was funny. 

I take umbrage with this part though. Dismissing those who were upset as just a few SJWs is the wrong way to go IMO. No doubt we got a lot of pious "games journalists" piling on, but I think you have to look at everything in context and try to understand where everyone is coming from. 

For as much progress as the Western world has made, women still face some serious inequities. Look no further than Donald Trump. The guy is on tape describing molesting women and he's our (The United States) president now. 

I'm not equating Colin with Donald Trump, and as I said, I thought his joke was funny. But I'm trying to understand all sides here and I can see how if you're a woman who saw his joke on something that is supposed to be a day of solidarity for women, you might just be fatigued. You don't want to be the butt of another joke. 

The left has become the new moral puritans, their grounding is not religious dogma, but political correctness.

Sex is now "molestation", jokes are "assaults", truth is "hate speech", choices are "inequties", same rules for all is "discrimination" and so on.

You didn't really respond to what he said. What he's saying is that just because someone gets offeded by something doesn't make them an SJW, and just because someone doens't like a joke doesn't mean they hate free speech.

Hyperbole is the real issue in a lot of these cases. If you're on the right, you're a nazi and a member of the alt-right. If you're on the left you're a socialist and an sjw. People just need to be more civil and talk to each other.



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numberwang said:

The left has become the new moral puritans, their grounding is not religious dogma, but political correctness.

Sex is now "molestation", jokes are "assaults", truth is "hate speech", choices are "inequties", same rules for all is "discrimination" and so on.

Dawg, he described molesting women. I don't know what to tell you.

I also find it disappointing that i tried my best to understand where everyone was coming from. To demonstrate that a joke can be an obvious joke but still engeder ill will and backlash when the subject of the joke is tring to raise legitimate issues. 

All that solicited from you is conservative radio talking points about how PC culture is ruining everything. 

Oh well. 



Normchacho said:
JRPGfan said:

rly?

What more do I need to understand, to claim what I did than this:

Colin: Ah. Peace and quiet. # Adaywithoutwomen

then this from greg:

 

 

To me, that is him pileing on, and makeing a small issue, that only a few SJW where upset about, into a huge mess.

He basically attacked him, when he choose to write this. Threw him under the bus, instead of standing by a friend of his.

Without this post, things would have been forgotten early on.

Instead this vindicated everyone that loves to hate on people, to pile on too, and the end result is Colin was basically forced to leave his work.

You should watch the first...6 minutes of so of their PAX Easty panel (link below). It was the first time that they had the opportunity to talk about it on camera and reach out to the fanbase since this whole thing happened.

Colin helped Greg write that post. Colin is the one who edited it and Greg got his okay before posting it. and as Greg says they're allowed to disagree and still be friends. He also says in the video that if that was a joke made on one of their shows it wouldn't have been anything, and it was only because you lose tone and context through something like Twitter that this turned into anything more.

They talk about it a little more in the March AMA between like 13:30 and 21:00 (link below), and that covers more of the whole "Why didn't they come out and say Colin isn't a sexist?" type stuff.

And Gregs post isn't talking about Colins joke offending people, he's talking about people fighting about it on places like Reddit, and Twitter, and Facebook. He's talking about the way memebers of the community treated each other over this. He disagreed with what Colin said and how he handled it, but he plainly says that the actual joke itself isn't a big deal.

PAX East panel: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcsFxwyolSg

March AMA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppWtKrZq7_k&t=2489s

My gosh. Finally someone who followed the damn thing.



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specialk said:
numberwang said:

The left has become the new moral puritans, their grounding is not religious dogma, but political correctness.

Sex is now "molestation", jokes are "assaults", truth is "hate speech", choices are "inequties", same rules for all is "discrimination" and so on.

Dawg, he described molesting women. I don't know what to tell you.

Sex between consenting adults ("they let you do that") is nothing of your concern and does not require your moral input.

 



numberwang said:

Sex between consenting adults ("they let you do that") is nothing of your concern and does not require your moral input.

Let's just take his word for it



Goodnightmoon said:
Now everytime someone is oversensitive about something a bunch of people call them communists and marxists, is like there is some kind of anti-intellectualism wave going on, because this level of logic is so low is hard to believe.

" I truly think the USSR and the KGB managed to set the steps in motion to take down the US, before the wall came down, with a weaponized form of Maxist ideals and it may have taken a generation and a half to start seeing the effects but, to me, it is now becoming very apparent."

Tell me this is a fucking joke, please.

 

"Now everytime someone is oversensitive"

 

There in lies the point... why are people becoming so sensitive to fairly innocuous issues to begin with? Why would a man be fired for making a joke that i've seen paralleled here on these very forums many, many times?

I suppose some people won't realise that there's an agenda till they themselves are affected directly and i suppose that's generally how things work anyway

We have reports that hundreds of people were killed in a drone strike in another country and no one really cares... but have some of those people retaliate and kill 4 people and suddenly everyone looses their minds



Goodnightmoon said:
irstupid said:

Completely false.

That kind of thinking is in the same vein as saying women can't be sexists, or blacks can't be racist. Completely untrue.

Of course women can be sexists and blacks be racists, but what do you mean with this, that SJW can be racists and sexists? I mean, maybe there are some cases but certainlly is not something that defines the group, they often go too overboard defending the opposite.

lol the main message that sjws push is that all of the problems in the world stem from white male people... even i as a black man can understand that this is a racist pov



o_O.Q said:

lol the main message that sjws push is that all of the problems in the world stem from white male people... even i as a black man can understand that this is a racist pov

By all means, let's be incredibly reductive about it.