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Pemalite said:
Qwark said:

Western society is at an all time low if people like this can become major in London. I like Aboutaleb the major of Rotterdam who is a Muslim (and an Islamophobe according to Erdogan). Defending 911 however is some sick mentality for a London major to have.

I wouldn't use breakingisraelnews.com as evidence for anything, they believe that Earthquakes, Volcanoes, Fukushima, Blobs as evidence for the "end of days" and then uses Bible passages to justify their garbage.

https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/85439/volcanoes-radioactive-fish-blob-north-pacific-seismic-rumblings-gearing-end-days/#IGvS9MkhUoTJOyBv.97

standard.co.uk has roots in tabloids. Aka. Fluff.
They provided zero citations for their claims, no supporting evidence.

I'm not saying it's inaccurate, just be weary of those specific sources of information... And make sure you have supportive evidence from other sources if you intend to believe it.

vivster said:

I'm pretty sure that you can get a gun and maybe even a full automatic rifle in any country if you know what you're doing. But that would require thought and effort. Traits absent in most terrorists.

You need "connections". Something that takes time. Especially in countries with excessively strong gun control like Australia.

 

foodfather said:
A lot of these incidents aren't quote on quote terror related though and certainly not immigration related. ISIS isn't behind it. Taliban isn't behind it etc.

There are some individuals in the Muslim community who genuinely have a crazy thirst for destruction, maiming and the defiling of western civilisation, in their own little way of course.

Are the Muslim groomers ( rotterham gang, google them) who molested hundreds of young girls and caused way more harm than any ISIS / extremist attack terrorists?

The part I find annoying is that a large segment of society cracks a massive tantrum whenever a Muslim does something wrong... Yet they let Christian, Buddhist, Jewish etc' acts of distasteful garbage slide. It's double standards.

Lawlight said:

It's not. Not sure why you would think I would post something fake :

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/children-with-beheading-signs-an-outrage-says-scipione-20120916-2602v.html

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/behead-sign-child-deemed-safe-as-mother-talks-to-police-20120917-26368.html

smh.com.au (Sydney Morning Herald) have very strong conservative views.

And if you have been paying attention... The extreme far-right neo-nazi group, The United Patriots Front and it's sister group Reclaim Australia haven't helped the situation either.
Both sides "bait" each other in the protests by holding up outlandish signs, doing obscene acts like lighting flags on fire... Stabbing dolls...
For example, The United Patriot Front, a member had all the ingredients ready to make a bomb, various members brought guns... You name it, for a group who is anti-muslim they have some very "terrorist-like" ideas.

My suggestion to you is to stand back, look at what both sides are doing. It's not pretty. Both are equally guilty of bullshittery.

As I said all human groups have shitty filth in them be they Muslims Christians atheists Americans Australians even scientists. Take any group and you can find varying degrees of filth in them. Ibwas also gonna chack the credibility of the site he referenced but you helped me. Point is even thousands out of a population of billion plus is a small percentage and most Muslims don't do these things no matter how much people want you to believe they do. The people who think stuff like Islam is evil have not had interaction with real muslims most of the time and like with any group, when you don't know them you fear them and hate them. The hateful rhetoric is used all around the world so that people don't realize that in us vs them scenarios the them are also normal people for the most part unless the them are terrorists of course. 



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Fei-Hung said:

Three points:

1) there is a difference in Khawarijites and Muslims as in Islam, similar to Ahmeddis they are not seen as Muslims due to their vast alternative view and practice of Islam. In the case of the Kawani, their views are vastly different due to their radical twisted beliefs and practices.

2) there were 2 terrorist attacks over the last 2 days. The London one and another where USA by mistake bombed a Syrian school killing dozens which has barely received any publicity.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/22/dozens-dead-in-us-led-syria-airstrike-al-mansoura

3) there must be a better way to honour the dead and injured than arguing on a forum.

Can I make a suggestion to the mods that we hold / create a fundraising page for a good cause so when something like this happens we respond in a positive way. Something like wishes for kids would be amazing.

The khawarijites are a sect of Islam since they follow the basics of belief in Allah and the last Prophet(pbuh). The ahmedis or qadiyanis don't believe in The last Prophet(pbuh) so a huge difference there. Khawarijites are akin to Sunnis shias wahabis or any other sect.

Yeah all the terrorist attacks by USA and Daesh and Taliban and al-qaeda are never reported if they occur in the middle east or Asia as a matter of fact. The Buddhist terrorism in Burma is also not reported. The Indian terrorism in India or any terrorism in Africa. Its only terrorism when the west is affected I guess



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Pemalite said:
Puppyroach said:

No, he wouldn´t and you know that´s not true. Also, you don´t need to be affiliated with an organization or have a negative view of the entire society to be a terrorist. Likewise, many terrorists are likely mentally ill, therefore more easily manipulated.

Could be said that, anyone who attempts any kind of murder is mentally ill.

Yeah that xcuse is lame as hell of course the  terrorist is insane. But when its a white dude they say the individual was mentally disturbed but when its a brown dude they say we believe it was a terrorist attack right off the bat just like that without zero research into the case day 1 hour 1 minute 1



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in Sweden we have 300 radical islamist that SÄPO keeps watch on, they are ticking bombs. Trump is right, right about what you say? about everything.



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There is certainly a problem with violent Jihadists, particularly in Europe of late. I think the internet unfortunately has radicalized a lot of people who aren't fitting in or are frustrated with their life. Unfortunately for people who don't socialize well, instead of being forced to do so at some point, the internet provides an "out" by networking them into whatever niche they think they fit into, and quite often that's not good. 

On the other end of the spectrum though, far more people are being killed in the Middle East and no one gives much of a shit.

The US bombed a school accidentally (?) just today that killed at least 30 people.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...hool-1.3020369

49 people were killed in a bomb strike a week prior to that.

All this because really we love oil so much that we had to go over there and stir a hornet's nest. Now we're in a cycle of what seems like unending violence. 



Eagle367 said:
Pemalite said:

Could be said that, anyone who attempts any kind of murder is mentally ill.

Yeah that xcuse is lame as hell of course the  terrorist is insane. But when its a white dude they say the individual was mentally disturbed but when its a brown dude they say we believe it was a terrorist attack right off the bat just like that without zero research into the case day 1 hour 1 minute 1

I will forgive your ignorance of what happened between these islands during the 1970's and 80's. The terrorists were all what you would call 'white dudes'.

Please do your research or read the news before you make sweeping statements like this.

I noticed that the live coverage of yesterday's events here - particularly during the early stages as the news was still breaking - maintained a relatively low level of speculation on the identity and motives of the attacker until more facts were available from the police - which is how it should be.



#WeAreNotAfraid

Maybe you should be afraid?



Pemalite said:
Lawlight said:

No offense but Islamists have killed in Australia in recent years. The far right haven't which is why I believe they are far less of a threat. Islamists also have a voice in Australia unlike the other side - another reason why I think the former is more of a threat.

Islamist terrorists and a kid holding up a sign are completely seperate divides.

The far-right have commited tons of heinous crimes, attempted bombings, attempted murders...

Here. Let's go through SOME of them.

The Cronulla riots where a police officer stepped in and saved a couple of muslims from being beaten to death:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/hero-cop-craig-campbell-left-behind-by-the-cronulla-riots-20160117-gm7j5r.html

Or when a man wielding a knife entered an islamic school threatening children with death:
http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2014/09/25/australian-muslims-shocked-afraid/

When Phillip Galea, anti-islamic extremist tried to bomb multiple left-wing premises:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/oct/31/victorian-extremist-phillip-galea-planned-to-bomb-leftwing-premises-police-say

Far-right extremists shooting into a Mosque:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-05-25/extremist-group-blamed-for-mosque-shooting/840108

Another far-righter tried to firebomb multiple Asian resturants:
https://www.crikey.com.au/2007/05/28/notorious-anti-asian-hate-movement-bites-the-dust/

The Leader also tried to kill the state attorney:
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/30/1091080440331.html

Another far-righter tried to go on a murder spree at an Abortion Clinic with guns, kerosene:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/deluded-prolife-crusader-peter-james-knight-kills-guard-but-wanted-more-dead-after-he-brought-his-gun-and-hatred-to-an-abortion-clinic-in-melbourne/news-story/c5a432d3036f9d745640a3c02810dab9

And you are trying to convince me that the Far-Right aren't a Threat? Or at-the very least not-as-much of a Threat? Please.

The Far-Right also have a voice. You are forgetting Pauline Hanson's One Nation party... You know the far-right nutter who believes Climate Change is a hoax, that Aboriginals were cannibals, that Australia would be overrun by Asians, that Australia would be overrun by Muslims, insinuated that Aboriginals were all dole-bludgers, against same-sex marriage, that Africans bring in diseases to Australia.. I could go on.

So yes. The Far-Right most certainly have a voice in Australia.

Terrorism is a load of shit. But far-right terrorism/extremism is just as unacceptable as religious-fueled terrorism. People need to stop thinking that either is "okay". It's not.

First and foremost, let us correct one thing - a kid being raised to believe that all those who do not believe in their god should be beheaded is what the terrorists most likely are. So that kid holding that sign is not an insignificant thing.

Second thing - the Cronulla riots started because 8 Middle Eastern men attacked 2 surf life savers. Don't blame this on far right extremists. People got frustrated and tensions rose.

The 2nd article gives no indication of the motive or name of the perpetrator.

3rd article - 2 extremists charged with property damage. They shot at the dome of a mosque at night. Not sure what they were trying to achieve there.

I'll give you the 4th one.

5th one 6th one are about the same person (a half Asian man, btw) but those are 10+ years old artcle. 

Last one is just a religious nutter but all those put together still pales in comparison to how many were arrested last year for plotting Islamists attacks.

Sorry but One Nation will never have power not do they have a voice in the extremely left-leaning media. I think a lot of their votes are from people tired of the usual politicians.



I dunno about Australia, but in North America there's certainly been a lot of far right terrorism, and one of the big ones is these far right terrorists are so stupid they often end up targeting Sikhs (a completely different religion) thinking they're Muslims.

http://time.com/4693023/sikh-shooting-seattle-hate-crime/

This poor guy was in his own garage minding his own business when a guy came up to him and shot him point blank and yelled go back to his country.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/florida-man-muslim-shop-fire-attack-owners-indian-hate-crime-a7626586.html

This dumb ass tried to set a convenience store on fire to combat "the Muslims", not realizing the owners were actually Indian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Sikh_temple_shooting

This guy killed 6 at a Sikh temple and a shot a white cop like 18 times, again I think he believed he was attacking a mosque, not realizing it was infact not a mosque.

http://www.thejournal.ie/kansas-city-shooting-3258217-Feb2017/

This guy taunted and then shot two Indian guys and a white bystander who tried to stop him, he ended up killing one of them at a bar. Again this moron though he had shot Muslims, only to be told later they were two India guys. 

And of course in Montreal, there was the guy who went into the mosque and killed several people a few weeks ago.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-city-mosque-alexandre-bissonnette-profile-1.3959581

Dylan Roof shooting up a church frequented by a black congregation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylann_Roof


It's true, they're never called "terrorists" generally, so yes that is a double standard. Though it doesn't change either the fact that there are also radical Jihadist types. The world is a shitty place sometimes.

Same shit, different piles of it, wish all these right wing extremists on both ends of the spectrum (white supremasists and Muslim extremists) would just get beamed to an island where they could and kill each other, who ever survives can be stuck there and since there likely wouldn't be many women, the remaining could then go fuck each other. Leave the rest of us who just want to live normal, peaceful lives out of your shitty, demented world view.