Jpcc86 said:
Theres quantity but not so much quality. Having a brand new Zelda, Bomberman and Mario Kart 8 and a month later Splatoon 2- even if its a port - sounds much better than that entire Wii list. |
I totally agree with you on this.
Jpcc86 said:
Theres quantity but not so much quality. Having a brand new Zelda, Bomberman and Mario Kart 8 and a month later Splatoon 2- even if its a port - sounds much better than that entire Wii list. |
I totally agree with you on this.
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Yes, but anyone who wants a WiiU already bought one. Not many folks will see Breath of the Wild on WiiU and say, "I guess I'll go out and buy a discontinued system for this one game." They'll say "I need this game in my life so I'll buy it on the system with a future." |
Correct. Though those who have huge hard-ons for Zelda most likely are part of the bunch that bought a Wii U. Again, I am not saying that they aren't going to have a successful launch, just that the line-up is weak because it hinges on one game.
Think of it like a Brazillian steakhouse restaurant opening in an area that is primarily full of vegetarians. Sure they have a salad bar so the vegetarians are going to eat. And they are new and people like that so they are going to check it out. After that though, where is the appeal? Especially when you have a few other restaurants in the area that have all the veggie dishes you want. If they don't cater to the market around them they are going to fail. If they put out one killer vegetarian dish every 6 months to a year people are going to forget about them and move on. They keep putting them out there week after week and month after month though and they can have their cake and eat it too.
Bandorr said:
For the people that don't care about Zelda? I have zero interest in Zelda. So to represent how weak the launch line up is - you remove Zelda. The launch line up is only "good" when you include that one game. If you remove one game it is a weak lineup. Thus anyone that finds no interest in Zelda considers it a weak line up. |
Even some of us who love Zelda can objectively look at the list and see that it is a weak line-up because it hinges on Zelda.
Neodegenerate said:
Even some of us who love Zelda can objectively look at the list and see that it is a weak line-up because it hinges on Zelda. |
^^^ What he said.
I don't think I have to explain how hyped I am for BOTW (the wait is excruciating!). But even so, I can't say with honesty that the Switch's launch line-up is good.
Bandorr said:
For the people that don't care about Zelda? I have zero interest in Zelda. So to represent how weak the launch line up is - you remove Zelda. The launch line up is only "good" when you include that one game. If you remove one game it is a weak lineup. Thus anyone that finds no interest in Zelda considers it a weak line up. |
A small number of gamers seems to be sure that Zelda is the greatest video game ever and that each new game in the series is an amazing system seller that the whole world dreams about.
And yet, the best selling Zelda game ever (Twilight Princess) sold less that Uncharted 4, even with an userbase twice bigger. It also sold less that annual games like FIFA (once again with an userbase twice bigger).
Zelda is a critical success and is hugely loved by Nintendo fans. But the broader audience doesn't care that much about it, and it surely won't change a console's fate by itself.
Hynad said:
You really have a hard time grasping the distinction between a single game, and a line-up of games. |
Or some people have a hard time making a distinction between a big line up and a good one, a good one makes you want to buy the console, a big one is just big, following the logic of this kind of forums Wiiu had a way better launch up, but that's just wrong, as hardcore Nintendo fan as I can be I thought WiiU had an awfull launch up, i recomended people not to buy it and i completely ignored it for more than a year (yes, me ignoring a Nintendo console, that some epic achievement), and so did everyone, but the thing is that is not gonna happen with Switch and BoTW has a lot to do with it, a single game can make an entire line up good as long as it achieves the purpose of a good launch up: make you want to buy the console.
Faelco said:
A small number of gamers seems to be sure that Zelda is the greatest video game ever and that each new game in the series is an amazing system seller that the whole world dreams about. And yet, the best selling Zelda game ever (Twilight Princess) sold less that Uncharted 4, even with an userbase twice bigger. It also sold less that annual games like FIFA (once again with an userbase twice bigger). Zelda is a critical success and is hugely loved by Nintendo fans. But the broader audience doesn't care that much about it, and it surely won't change a console's fate by itself. |
Some games sell 30m but they dont sell a system, some games sell a third of that, but they sell tons of systems, Fifa is not a system seller, BoTW is, NSMB sold 30m on Wii, how was translated that into WiiU sales with NSMBU? of course, that's what happens when your game has mass appeal but is not a system seller.
Also, funny how you totally forget that OoT, a game on a 35m userbase, sold more than uncharted 1,2 and 3 on an 80m userbase, what is the conclusuon of that? or maybe that part does not interest you? Appart fromt he fact that TP sold more than 9m when you combine the GC version, but BoTW will probably be the best selling Zelda ever anyways. I can't wait to see you like "nah only sold 10m, most of the people don't care "
Goodnightmoon said:
Or some people have a hard time making a distinction between a big line up and a good one, a good one makes you want to buy the console, a big one is just big, following the logic of this kind of forums Wiiu had a way better launch up, but that's just wrong, as hardcore Nintendo fan as I can be I thought WiiU had an awfull launch up, i recomended people not to buy it and i completely ignored it for more than a year (yes, me ignoring a Nintendo console, that some epic achievement), and so did everyone, but the thing is that is not gonna happen with Switch and BoTW has a lot to do with it, a single game can make an entire line up good as long as it achieves the purpose of a good launch up: make you want to buy the console. |
Sorry but no. A good launch doesn't happen in that week. It doesn't even happen in that month. Early adopters are buying regardless of the launch line-up. Pre-orders are being bought by people who have no interest in the system at all. They are buying it in hopes to turn it around for more money on Ebay. The same way it has happened with every console thusfar. That number might not be huge, but it exists and is only a portion of my point.
If you are a baseball fan let's see if this helps. You equating having Zelda as all you need for a great launch lineup is the same as me saying that a team of people who can't hit above .200 is a great offense because they have one guy who hits above .400. It holds no damn weight.
I edited the hell outta this, I feel this makes my point better.
Goodnightmoon said:
Or some people have a hard time making a distinction between a big line up and a good one, a good one makes you want to buy the console, a big one is just big, following the logic of this kind of forums Wiiu had a way better launch up, but that's just wrong, as hardcore Nintendo fan as I can be I thought WiiU had an awfull launch up, i recomended people not to buy it and i completely ignored it for more than a year (yes, me ignoring a Nintendo console, that some epic achievement), and so did everyone, but the thing is that is not gonna happen with Switch and BoTW has a lot to do with it, a single game can make an entire line up good as long as it achieves the purpose of a good launch up: make you want to buy the console. |
What you describe is a system seller. A game that makes you want to buy the system. That game can come out anytime during a console's lifespan, depending on the gamer's needs and taste. That one game doesn't constitute a launch line-up, obviously enough.
A launch line-up of games is simply that, a line-up of games ready for the launch of a platform. In this case, it is very limited in scope/choices. Meaning that, in the Switch's case, if you're not into that one high profile game, you're left with an anemic selection.
yvanjean said:
Wii also launch with a upgraded last generation Zelda but on the other hand it had something for everyone. Proper third party support at first Call of duty, Madden NFL 07, Tony Hawk, Rayman, Super Monkey Ball, Need for Speed, new IP ready at launch from Ubisoft with Red steel and a packed in killer app game Wii Sports. Comparing the last three launch (Wii, WiiU and Switch), the switch launch is by far worst offering from Nintendo and partners.
Wii[edit] U.S. launch: November 19, 2006
Avatar: The Last Airbender |
Couldn't disagree more. While the Wii launch lineup destroys Switch, the Wii u one is much worse IMO. Yeah the wii u had more games, but didn't have a significant first party title(2d mario doesn't count) for a long time. People played all those multiplats on 360 and PS3, NOT on wii u. Many people didn't have a reason to buy the wii u because of this. Zelda alone makes the Switch launch better than Wii u.
Bet with Intrinsic:
The Switch will outsell 3DS (based on VGchartz numbers), according to me, while Intrinsic thinks the opposite will hold true. One month avatar control for the loser's avatar.