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Revenue is clearly better but..... how are the profits ?



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Barkley said:
Miyamotoo said:

Actualy we know, beacuse whole Nintendo made profit (not just operating profit), of $570m.

Why are you comparing Net Profit to Operating Profit rather than Operating profit to Operating Profit?

There is no "Net-Profit" for Sony's gaming divison, so logically if you want to make a comparison use Operating Profit for both. Unless you're cherry picking. It's silly to compare two different types of figures when you have two of the same.

Because operating profit it's not profit for whole Nintendo, and OP specifically said "PSN brings in more money than all of Nintendo". Like I wrote, we know that whole Nintendo made profit of $570m, PSN has just an operating income and that's actually profit PSN made. So its not hard to understand that Sony Game & Network Services (G&S) with operating income of $431m made less profit than whole Nintendo with profit of $570m.

So PSN has higher revenue than whole NIntendo, but whole Nintendo has higher profit, also whole Sony made 3x less profit than whole Nintendo. Not relly hard to understand.



KLAMarine said:
sergiodaly said:

both companies already release their lastest quarterly results, so can you show us data that back up your statement?

I think these might be it?

https://thetechportal.com/2017/01/31/nintendo-quarterly-earnings-released/

http://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2017-02-02/sony-records-84-pct-quarterly-profit-drop-on-movie-loss

Nintendo's $569 million in profit versus Sony's $174 million in profit. Movie business hurting Sony.

By the way:

Why the difference between Microsoft and Sony? Gaming Revenue vs. Game & Network Services respectively?

Someone here with a Twitter account able to ask him?

i was thinking more in line with the thread and talking about only games and networks sony division. that has a operation income bigger than nintendo in q1-q3 and the latest forecast by both companies points to sony making more money than nintendo in this fiscal year (sony 135 billion yen operation income just for the G&NS and nintendo intire profit will be 90 billion yen).

 

Surely sony as a whole doesn't get profit like nintendo but it's mainly because of huge spending in R&D, a lot more assets to maintain, paying interest and past debt while nintendo has low operation income but gets money from interest because have nearly no debt and have money sitting in the bank. if we look at current operations sony is currently making more money, the past choices/mismanagement and the size of the company prevents it from keeping the money they earn.



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Ka-pi96 said:
Miyamotoo said:

That's actually going in details, but saying that PSN brings in more money than all of Nintendo doesnt means nothing when Nintendo made bigger profit actualy. When people see headline "PSN brings in more money than all of Nintendo" they expecting that PSN earned much more money than whole Nintendo, and that's not true.


Just for record:

Sony Game & Network Services (G&NS) 
Operating income – 431 (millions of U.S. dollars)

While Nintendo made profit of $570m

You're doing the exact same thing that you're complaining about the title/OP doing. The title is correct (kind of), Sony's network division did bring in more money than the whole of Nintendo, just like what you are saying about Nintendo's overall profit being superior to that of Sony's.

But what you are saying means just as little as what the title is saying, unless you look at the details in both cases. And FYI looking at the details and how it affects other things is pretty much the definition of looking at the whole picture...

Basically, either he should stop claiming that he wants to look at the full picture, or he should stop criticizing.

Besides, all it takes is one glance at the tweet in the OP, and you can clearly see it is about REVENUE.



sergiodaly said:
KLAMarine said:

I think these might be it?

https://thetechportal.com/2017/01/31/nintendo-quarterly-earnings-released/

http://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2017-02-02/sony-records-84-pct-quarterly-profit-drop-on-movie-loss

Nintendo's $569 million in profit versus Sony's $174 million in profit. Movie business hurting Sony.

By the way:

Why the difference between Microsoft and Sony? Gaming Revenue vs. Game & Network Services respectively?

Someone here with a Twitter account able to ask him?

i was thinking more in line with the thread and talking about only games and networks sony division. that has a operation income bigger than nintendo in q1-q3 and the latest forecast by both companies points to sony making more money than nintendo in this fiscal year (sony 135 billion yen operation income just for the G&NS and nintendo intire profit will be 90 billion yen).

I have no doubt Sony's making more money in gaming than Nintendo (especially with that paid online Nintendo's now looking to get into, ugh!) but is there a reason you're using operation income (I assume you meant operating income) for Sony and profit for Nintendo?

I'm looking up the two terms on investopedia and they seem to differ slightly:

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/profit.asp

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/operatingincome.asp

sergiodaly said:

Surely sony as a whole doesn't get profit like nintendo but it's mainly because of huge spending in R&D, a lot more assets to maintain, paying interest and past debt while nintendo has low operation income but gets money from interest because have nearly no debt and have money sitting in the bank. if we look at current operations sony is currently making more money, the past choices/mismanagement and the size of the company prevents it from keeping the money they earn.

It's not as if Nintendo hasn't been spending in R&D as well.



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FentonCrackshell said:
It's always funny to see guys argue about another man's money.

A typical thing we do, we would rather throw sitck and stones at ourselves arguing about other people's money



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Miyamotoo said:
Barkley said:

Why are you comparing Net Profit to Operating Profit rather than Operating profit to Operating Profit?

There is no "Net-Profit" for Sony's gaming divison, so logically if you want to make a comparison use Operating Profit for both. Unless you're cherry picking. It's silly to compare two different types of figures when you have two of the same.

Because operating profit it's not profit for whole Nintendo, and OP specifically said "PSN brings in more money than all of Nintendo". Like I wrote, we know that whole Nintendo made profit of $570m, PSN has just an operating income and that's actually profit PSN made. So its not hard to understand that Sony Game & Network Services (G&S) with operating income of $431m made less profit than whole Nintendo with profit of $570m.

Not relly hard to understand.

I think you're having trouble understanding.

The Operating Profit is the Operating Profit for the whole of Nintendo. Choosing to compare Nintendo's Net Profit to Operating Profit in the argument of if Sony's Gaming Divison makes more money then Nintendo is Cherry Picking at it's finest.

Logical: Compare Operating Profit to Operating Profit

Illogical Cherry Picking: Compare Net Profit to Operating Profit.

You can't compare Nintendo's Net Profit to G&S or PSN's Operating Profit because they're two different things, you can't use Net Profit because if G&S/PSN had a Net Profit figure maybe it'd be even higher? We don't know because it doesn't exist, because it's not a seperate entity.

So maybe use two figures that actually exist and equate to the same thing. Comparing a Companies Net Profit to a Divisions Operating Profit is idiocy.

You have a much more accurate alternative yet you choose the one that advances your cause. Though I think it's more that you don't understand the problem with what you're doing rather than a conscious decision.



Barkley said:
Miyamotoo said:

Because operating profit it's not profit for whole Nintendo, and OP specifically said "PSN brings in more money than all of Nintendo". Like I wrote, we know that whole Nintendo made profit of $570m, PSN has just an operating income and that's actually profit PSN made. So its not hard to understand that Sony Game & Network Services (G&S) with operating income of $431m made less profit than whole Nintendo with profit of $570m.

Not relly hard to understand.

I think you're having trouble understanding.

The Operating Profit is the Operating Profit for the whole of Nintendo. Choosing to compare Nintendo's Net Profit to Operating Profit in the argument of if Sony's Gaming Divison makes more money then Nintendo is Cherry Picking at it's finest.

Logical: Compare Operating Profit to Operating Profit

Illogical Cherry Picking: Compare Net Profit to Operating Profit.

You can't compare Nintendo's Net Profit to G&S or PSN's Operating Profit because they're two different things, you can't use Net Profit because if G&S/PSN had a Net Profit figure maybe it'd be even higher? We don't know because it doesn't exist, because it's not a seperate entity.

So maybe use two figures that actually exist and equate to the same thing. Comparing a Companies Net Profit to a Divisions Operating Profit is idiocy.

You have a much more accurate alternative yet you choose the one that advances your cause. Though I think it's more that you don't understand the problem with what you're doing rather than a conscious decision.

But point is that PSN only has operating profit and revenue, OP says PSN has higher revenue than whole Nintendo, but whole Nintendo has higher profit than PSN. It's not really hard to understand.



Miyamotoo said:

But point is that PSN only has operating profit and revenue, OP says PSN has higher revenue than whole Nintendo, but whole Nintendo has higher profit than PSN. It's not really hard to understand.

Yes...

Revenue: PSN > Nintendo

Operating Profit:  Sony G&S > Nintendo     +     ?(PSN > Nintendo)?

Net Profit: Nintendo > Sony

 

Nintendo is outperforming Sony as a company.

PlayStation is outperforming Nintendo.

PSN is possibly outperforming Nintendo.



Barkley said:
Miyamotoo said:

But point is that PSN only has operating profit and revenue, OP says PSN has higher revenue than whole Nintendo, but whole Nintendo has higher profit than PSN. It's not really hard to understand.

Yes...

Revenue: PSN > Nintendo

Operating Profit:  Sony G&S > Nintendo     +     ?(PSN > Nintendo)?

Net Profit: Nintendo > Sony

 

Nintendo is outperforming Sony as a company.

PlayStation is outperforming Nintendo.

PSN is possibly outperforming Nintendo.

Not exactly, whole Nintendo is outperforming Sony G&S with profit also, despite "PSN brings in more money than all of Nintendo".