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Forums - Politics - So, Trump's ban on certain nationalities is in effect.

 

Your opinion on the ban

Good! 145 35.02%
 
Get rid of this as fast as possible. 200 48.31%
 
Needs more exceptions 25 6.04%
 
List needs to be redone 44 10.63%
 
Total:414
Dark_Feanor said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

You forget the fact that this is a temporary ban, you act just like the left-wing media. The guy made it clear on his electorate campaign that if he gets elected, he’s going to impose a temporary ban, until the Homeland Security finds the proper ways to vet Muslims, since (in he’s opinion) Homeland Security doesn’t have the proper tools. And that’s what he is doing.

 

Well, if this is the reason, it makes things much more worse.

In the last 15 years, there has been virtualy zero american deaths caused by refugies or people from those countries. All 911 terorists were from Saudi Arabia, that is not part of this ban.

Well, read the feed, if that's not too much to ask.



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NewGuy said:

I saw the interview on NBC (or was it CNN?) where the author said there was no evidence. ABC even asked Trump about it on their interview. This is what he's going off on, and why the investigation is being done. I don't believe the investigation will be only in California and New York, and I don't think an order has been issued on that yet. but feel free to prove me wrong.

I don't think it's okay for a President to lie and make stuff up, do you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yRac2EVvRI

Trump technically probably isn't lying (about this) as he actually most likely genuinely believes it. I know it's semantics, but worth bringing it up. If the investigation comes back and the numbers are still the same and Trump continues his narrative, then he'll be lying, facetious and purposefully ignorant. 

Did you even watch the video or just google Obama lies.  Cause its starts with campaign pledges, and includes clips of him saying things like the "buck stops with me"  Most of them at worse are matter of opinion, some Obama really believed at the time. I definetely beleive he twisted things at times but he wasn't going out making claims with no facts.

Trump believing there is actual voter fraud doesn't make me feel any better.  We just went from a liar to dope.  If he beleives things without facts then he might believe anything.  Which in many ways is actually more scary.

You are not at all bothered that he just threw out numbers out of nowhere.  Numbers that magically make it so he could claim that he really won the popular vote.  Claims that not a single vote out of that 3-5 million would be for him.  He is the one who mentionted two states that he lost.  You do not see a problem with this at all?

Really we shouldn't be spending tax payer dollars chasing something that has no proof to even exist. Just fits a narrative that he invented to make himself feel better.  I could only imagine if Obama issued an investigation about something with such little facts to justify it.

Seems like you are doing some mental gymnastics for Obama's lies but throwing a fit about Trump's lies. I don't mind you being upset about this investigation and Trump jumping to some way out there conclusions, but some consistency on your part would be nice.

EDIT: For the record, I don't like Trump throwing out random numbers and speaking out of his ass, just like I didn't like it when Obama did it. I still think an investigation about voter fraud and how widespread it is will be a good thing.



This is sad and pathetic on so many levels. And to think that as a kid I wanted to end up in the US one day. Glad I grew out of that.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

ratuscafoarterea said:

There are so many naive kids on this site, it’s just not funny. I see a lot of you asking why didn’t Trump ban muslims from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait. You must be living in a fairy-tale if you think Trump would be so dumb to do such a big mistake, on day-one. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait are essential for the Petro Dollar existence, if he fucks with the Petro Dollar the whole USA economy will collapse in a matter of days, and he will be to blame. The petro dollar has been part of USA’s economy for decades, you can’t change that in a matter of days.

Its amazing just how niave they are. Drunk on that "USA! USA!" Kool-aid. Take away the Petrodollar and the US would literally collapse.

Interesting times ahead indeed. I cant wait for the look on Trump and his supporters faces when all these dumbass policies backfire in spectacular fashion.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

ratuscafoarterea said:
Scoobes said:
Question for everyone that supports this.

What is this ban supposed to achieve?

You forget the fact that this is a temporary ban, you act just like the left-wing media. The guy made it clear on his electorate campaign that if he gets elected, he’s going to impose a temporary ban, until the Homeland Security finds the proper ways to vet Muslims, since (in he’s opinion) Homeland Security doesn’t have the proper tools. And that’s what he is doing.

 

Didn't answer the question. Temporary or not, what's this actually supposed to achieve?



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Scoobes said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

You forget the fact that this is a temporary ban, you act just like the left-wing media. The guy made it clear on his electorate campaign that if he gets elected, he’s going to impose a temporary ban, until the Homeland Security finds the proper ways to vet Muslims, since (in he’s opinion) Homeland Security doesn’t have the proper tools. And that’s what he is doing.

 

Didn't answer the question. Temporary or not, what's this actually supposed to achieve?

Actually I did answered your question, stop reading selectively.

 



WagnerPaiva said:
Scoobes said:

Scary thing is it wouldn't surprise me if what you said was true. 

Do not believe the MSM lies my cat friend.

Take a look at the below analysis, is this ban really as bad as the media is making it out to be? From The National Review: The hysterical rhetoric about President Trump’s executive order on refugees is out of control. Let’s slow down and take a look at the facts. CNN, doing its best Huffington Post impersonation, ran a headline declaring “Trump bans 134,000,000 from the U.S.” The Huffington Post, outdoing itself, just put the Statue of Liberty upside down on its front page. So, what did Trump do? Did he implement his promised Muslim ban? No, far from it. He backed down dramatically from his campaign promises and instead signed an executive order dominated mainly by moderate refugee restrictions and temporary provisions aimed directly at limiting immigration from jihadist conflict zones. Let’s analyze the key provisions, separate the fact from the hysteria, and introduce just a bit of historical perspective. First, the order temporarily halts refugee admissions for 120 days to improve the vetting process, then caps refugee admissions at 50,000 per year. Outrageous, right? Not so fast. Before 2016, when Obama dramatically ramped up refugee admissions, Trump’s 50,000 stands roughly in between a typical year of refugee admissions in George W. Bush’s two terms and a typical year in Obama’s two terms. The chart below, from the Migration Policy Institute, is instructive:

In 2002, the United States admitted only 27,131 refugees. It admitted fewer than 50,000 in 2003, 2006, and 2007. As for President Obama, he was slightly more generous than President Bush, but his refugee cap from 2013 to 2015 was a mere 70,000, and in 2011 and 2012 he admitted barely more than 50,000 refugees himself. The bottom line is that Trump is improving security screening and intends to admit refugees at close to the average rate of the 15 years before Obama’s dramatic expansion in 2016. Obama’s expansion was a departure from recent norms, not Trump’s contraction. Second, the order imposes a temporary, 90-day ban on people entering the U.S. from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen. These are countries either torn apart by jihadist violence or under the control of hostile, jihadist governments. The ban is in place while the Department of Homeland Security determines the “information needed from any country to adjudicate any visa, admission, or other benefit under the INA (adjudications) in order to determine that the individual seeking the benefit is who the individual claims to be and is not a security or public-safety threat.” It could, however, be extended or expanded depending on whether countries are capable of providing the requested information. The ban, however, contains an important exception: “Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may, on a case-by-case basis, and when in the national interest, issue visas or other immigration benefits to nationals of countries for which visas and benefits are otherwise blocked.” In other words, the secretaries can make exceptions — a provision that would, one hopes, fully allow interpreters and other proven allies to enter the U.S. during the 90-day period. To the extent this ban applies to new immigrant and non-immigrant entry, this temporary halt (with exceptions) is wise. We know that terrorists are trying to infiltrate the ranks of refugees and other visitors. We know that immigrants from Somalia, for example, have launched jihadist attacks here at home and have sought to leave the U.S. to join ISIS.

You don't think that's ridiculously disproportionate? As I asked in my earlier post, what is this supposed to achieve?

Lots of Countries that have terrorists haven't been included and as I mentioned in an earlier post, if we follow the logic then the UK, France and Belgium should also be on that list. In recent years, more homegrown terrorists have planned or caused attacks in the West than from outside it. So what is this going to achieve?



barneystinson69 said:
badgenome said:
I agree, the list needs to be bigger.

Actually agree with you on this one. Why ban people from only Iran, Iraq, and a few other places when Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are just as bad. Hopefully the list is expanded.

Lol, the USA supported an unprovoked war by Iraq against Iran in 1980, killing hundreds of thousands of people, including civilians. But Iran is the bad guy here? Haha, you guys are hilarious. What terrorist attack has Iran ever comitted on the USA?

You guys are a bunch of hypocrites. The USA is the biggest cause of terror in the world. They practically created IS when they invaded Iraq based on false information. 



"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Thoukydides

ratuscafoarterea said:
Scoobes said:

Didn't answer the question. Temporary or not, what's this actually supposed to achieve?

Actually I did answered your question, stop reading selectively.

 

No, that's what he plans to do whilst this policy is in effect and then implement afterwards. I asked, what's this actual temporary order supposed to achieve?

There's no reason they couldn't come up with a new vetting process without this policy. So what's the point of this?



The ban should be on the Saudis