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Forums - Politics - So, Trump's ban on certain nationalities is in effect.

 

Your opinion on the ban

Good! 145 35.02%
 
Get rid of this as fast as possible. 200 48.31%
 
Needs more exceptions 25 6.04%
 
List needs to be redone 44 10.63%
 
Total:414
Scoobes said:
Eagle367 said:

Shut the hell up. I am from Pakistan and I need to study physics at one of the best universities. Sadly many are in USA and if you can move Caltech and MIt out of the country then its all good. Otherwise I'll just complete my PhD and be out of your beautiful country

Come to the UK instead! If you're good then I'm sure the likes of Imperial, UCL, St Andrews, Oxford or Cambridge could take you. 

I'll go to Europe for my masters degree and PhD but for bachelor's UK is more expensive much more with no aid while in Europe I need to learn languages and its really difficult for me to learn them. Australia and Japan also do not offer aid



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Lawlight said:
palou said:

Why dystopian?

You didn't respond to my post to you.

Ah, sorry. I most deinitely  was critical to the extremely small number of refugees that the US took - I'm actually in support of Angela Merkel's decision, even if a little more rigourous tracking and background  checks would not hurt. For the very least, the US could take up refugees at the rate that Canada does (which would amoun to, perhaps, half a million, considering population difference.)

I was not quite as outraged;  as this current ban is much more englobing, and also affects people that I believe had already obtained rights in the US. Namingly, people that had jobs or even their homes in the US seeing themselves locked out, even if they were just outside for a week, on a buisnesss trip or family visit. That's ridiculous. Notice that I did specify free movement of labour, not free citizenship for all. I don't believe that all should get the social benefits of the country; but someone that can find a job, and pay a home in any country should be allowed to stay.



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Eagle367 said:
Scoobes said:

Come to the UK instead! If you're good then I'm sure the likes of Imperial, UCL, St Andrews, Oxford or Cambridge could take you. 

I'll go to Europe for my masters degree and PhD but for bachelor's UK is more expensive much more with no aid while in Europe I need to learn languages and its really difficult for me to learn them. Australia and Japan also do not offer aid

Germany has programs in english...

Also, lots of jobs for the educated!



Bet with PeH: 

I win if Arms sells over 700 000 units worldwide by the end of 2017.

Bet with WagnerPaiva:

 

I win if Emmanuel Macron wins the french presidential election May 7th 2017.

It is a racist stupid ban and a ban that shows as long as his company is doing business in your country he is cool with you. I am not seeing this guy make it four years. He probably thinks he saved the country writing these executive orders that makes it look like he kept most of his promises. They are crap and when health gets repealed and not replaced cause none of the republicans in Washington have even cause to plan on what to do, he will probably get to stressed out and quit. Seriously though these protest against him are going to make him do something stupid other than a tweet. I just hope it won't get American citizens hurt or killed.



Glad the Iranian got a banned, Trump afraid of Iranian people committed revolution like they used always did on every country.



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So a prejudiced ban that take no consideration for green cards, oscar nominated artists or PhD students.

Seems in line with a 15-25 billion dollar wall that won't do more then shame USA itself and spending a ton of tax payers money on a fraud investigation already denied even by GOP members.

Well, at least he is consistent. Consistently dumb? Yea, but still consistent.


On this ban. Can't the supreme court rule something about this? How does one take an issue to them?



NewGuy said:
PDF said:

Donald Trump is saying our whole democracy is compromised. That is a serious accusation that the President of the United States shouldn't be making without solid evidence, which he doesn't have.  It's only 3-5 million so it covers the amount he lost to Hillary.  His focus is on two states that largely voted against him.  He's even claming that out of those "fake" 3-5 million that not a single one is for him.

Saying we should look into voter fraud is one thing. Claiming that 3-5 million votes have been illegally cast is another thing.   I don't know if its a lie because he seems to believe it.  It is however false.  Any study looking into has shown its incredibly rare.  

Also did you just watch Watters world cause I saw that clip too.  Stupid thing to hold up as evidence of 3-5 million illegal votes.

What studies? Can you point me to it?

You sure seem to know it is a lie as you affirmed "fake" in quotation, implying they are not really fake. Trump doesn't know either and he's going off that Pew report. I don't see how an investigation is a bad thing. We should all want that. You and I probably differ on this though because I believe that - among other things - you need to have a Voter (or a Federal Government) ID in order to vote. 

It depends. Even if it finds nothing the real problem is what happens afterwards. Previously, dictatorships have used "investigations" into voter fraud to cement the ruling parties position and use it as a prelude to policies restricting groups that are likely to vote the "wrong" way. 

Democracy then gets sidelined as many people fail to get a vote. 



Question for everyone that supports this.

What is this ban supposed to achieve?



There are so many naive kids on this site, it’s just not funny. I see a lot of you asking why didn’t Trump ban muslims from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait. You must be living in a fairy-tale if you think Trump would be so dumb to do such a big mistake, on day-one. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait are essential for the Petro Dollar existence, if he fucks with the Petro Dollar the whole USA economy will collapse in a matter of days, and he will be to blame. The petro dollar has been part of USA’s economy for decades, you can’t change that in a matter of days.



Well look at that, hours after landing a Cleveland Clinic Doctor is forced to leave, and an Oscar-nominated director wont be able to make it for the 2017 ceremony