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NewGuy said:
barneystinson69 said:

I have no idea why so many Canadians think we need so many refugees and immigrants. I think we need less immigration, and less refugees. They need to be properly screened, and have to come from Syria. Lots of Canadians think this way, but are too afraid to say anything because they'll be called "racist".

It's the left liberal media who drive people to think a certain way. I was left leaning too until I started to look at facts. Facts trump everything to me (pun intended).

It is possible to look at facts and come to different conclusions.



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palou said:
NewGuy said:

It is a nice, dystopian thought. I'll give you that. However, do you think, given the current state of the world and human nature in general, that it is a feasible thing today or in the future?

Why dystopian?

I meant to say utopian.

palou said:
NewGuy said:

It's the left liberal media who drive people to think a certain way. I was left leaning too until I started to look at facts. Facts trump everything to me (pun intended).

It is possible to look at facts and come to different conclusions.

Sometimes, sure, not all the time. If I tell you that in 2011 black people (13% of the population) commited close to 50% of the murder and non negligent manslaughter in the US, that is not something you can dispute. Something like climate change, where there is evidence on both sides, is something that one can draw different conclusions, sure.



NewGuy said:
iron_megalith said:


Nevertheless, it's hard to screen unruly immigrants. The list needs to be bigger. Hell 14 years I've been away from California, and I can already see how shit people are when it comes to following simple traffic rules. They were there, but they weren't this bad. Most of the time, it's hispanics that I see who don't give a shit.

No I'm not being racist. It's actually my personal observation.

Trump called that dummy Prince out for it. That dummy never replied to him. It's obvious why they won't take in any of them.

1- This is a picture of Dubai, Emirates. Not Saudi Arabia.

2- Saudi Arabia is probably top 3 (maybe even 1st) in terms of how many Syrians they've taken in and they're also taking in many Yemenis. They're just not documented as "refugees" that's why it's reported that they've taken in 0. This is also the case for other Gulf countries.

3- That prince is just a rich business man. He has no role in the Saudi govenment. He's just royalty.



I don't know how anyone in their right mind can still support trump. It's like the second coming of hitler.



Talal said:
NewGuy said:

Trump called that dummy Prince out for it. That dummy never replied to him. It's obvious why they won't take in any of them.

1- This is a picture of Dubai, Emirates. Not Saudi Arabia.

2- Saudi Arabia is probably top 3 (maybe even 1st) in terms of how many Syrians they've taken in and they're also taking in many Yemenis. They're just not documented as "refugees" that's why it's reported that they've taken in 0. This is also the case for other Gulf countries.

3- That prince is just a rich business man. He has no role in the Saudi govenment. He's just royalty.

So the dummy prince should STFU about what our policies are or aren't. Do you have a source for your 2nd point?



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NewGuy said:
palou said:

Why dystopian?

I meant to say utopian.

palou said:

It is possible to look at facts and come to different conclusions.

Sometimes, sure, not all the time. If I tell you that in 2011 black people (13% of the population) commited close to 50% of the murder and non negligent manslaughter in the US, that is not something you can dispute. Something like climate change, where there is evidence on both sides, is something that one can draw different conclusions, sure.

To make it clear: I consider BLM to be moronic, for the reasons stated; Police does kill black individuals overproportionatly, but this mostly corresponds with increased contact with police over criminal cases.

 

On the statistic that you quoted, you can also follow through with that a large part of the poorest population in the States. Poor populations are more prone to violence - no matter race. Social infrastructure (more investment in public schools, fro example) could help with that. Also to be noted, a healthy majority of the kills are between black individuals, not interacial - this is the poor and uneducated getting into gangs, which promotes violence. If you are a white guy, especially in a rich area, the black popultaion does not actually pose a major threat towards you

Another statistic that can be looked at is income inelasticity - how difficult it is to rise in the social echelons. Much higher in the US than other developped nations.

A conclusion that you can make is that the state has failed to provide an environnement in which the american dream - that all can enter the middle class if they give a certain effort - alive, as historically poor populations seem to be unable to leave their problems behind.



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NewGuy said:
Talal said:

1- This is a picture of Dubai, Emirates. Not Saudi Arabia.

2- Saudi Arabia is probably top 3 (maybe even 1st) in terms of how many Syrians they've taken in and they're also taking in many Yemenis. They're just not documented as "refugees" that's why it's reported that they've taken in 0. This is also the case for other Gulf countries.

3- That prince is just a rich business man. He has no role in the Saudi govenment. He's just royalty.

So the dummy prince should STFU about what our policies are or aren't. Do you have a source for your 2nd point?

http://www.opensourceinvestigations.com/syria/gulf-states-response-to-syrian-refugee-crisis-a-myth-debunked/

http://www.newsweek.com/gulf-states-are-taking-syrian-refugees-401131



NewGuy said:
Talal said:

1- This is a picture of Dubai, Emirates. Not Saudi Arabia.

2- Saudi Arabia is probably top 3 (maybe even 1st) in terms of how many Syrians they've taken in and they're also taking in many Yemenis. They're just not documented as "refugees" that's why it's reported that they've taken in 0. This is also the case for other Gulf countries.

3- That prince is just a rich business man. He has no role in the Saudi govenment. He's just royalty.

So the dummy prince should STFU about what our policies are or aren't. Do you have a source for your 2nd point?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkgzVtT-Ez4



Ljink96 said:
Puppyroach said:
When racism and bigotry gets to form policy, this is only the first steps. Soon you will likely see a registry and I wouldn't rule out internment camps in a few years time.

Damn, it really is happening isn't it? We're going backwards.

It's almost as if the world has been engulfed in constant religious extremism for the last decade and the Left side of politics have just buried their heads in the sand and denied any patterns in it at all.

You fail to deal with problems in reasonable ways, someone will come along and deal with them in unreasonable ways.



NewGuy said:
palou said:

Why dystopian?

I meant to say utopian.

palou said:

It is possible to look at facts and come to different conclusions.

Sometimes, sure, not all the time. If I tell you that in 2011 black people (13% of the population) commited close to 50% of the murder and non negligent manslaughter in the US, that is not something you can dispute. Something like climate change, where there is evidence on both sides, is something that one can draw different conclusions, sure.

That CO2 levels correspond to the main LONGTERM determent of climate is not deputable, and you won't find mcuh scientific support behind the opposing position. This is a conclusion that was made by chemists, well before industrialization could have had any impact on statistical data.

Using specific statistical data to back up your point is stupid. What CO2 levels provide a median value for, let's say, one millenium to another. Scientists can determine that, in average, temperatures should be 1.5 degrees higher if this quantity of CO2 is released into the air, based on calculations, not scientific extrapolation. From any given value, a number of factors can still make the average temerature fluctuate larger amounts (more than 1.5 degrees) in shorter cycles. The most concerning thing is simply that the highest highs over a given time would be 1.5 degrees higher.

 

For some statistical data, here is the long-term correlation (in short term, you will find none; there is none to find.)

https://static.skepticalscience.com/pics/icecoredata500x285.gif

The impacts, positive or negative, are slighlty more disputable. I believe them to be mostly bad.



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