NewGuy said:
palou said:
Why dystopian?
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I meant to say utopian.
palou said:
It is possible to look at facts and come to different conclusions.
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Sometimes, sure, not all the time. If I tell you that in 2011 black people (13% of the population) commited close to 50% of the murder and non negligent manslaughter in the US, that is not something you can dispute. Something like climate change, where there is evidence on both sides, is something that one can draw different conclusions, sure.
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That CO2 levels correspond to the main LONGTERM determent of climate is not deputable, and you won't find mcuh scientific support behind the opposing position. This is a conclusion that was made by chemists, well before industrialization could have had any impact on statistical data.
Using specific statistical data to back up your point is stupid. What CO2 levels provide a median value for, let's say, one millenium to another. Scientists can determine that, in average, temperatures should be 1.5 degrees higher if this quantity of CO2 is released into the air, based on calculations, not scientific extrapolation. From any given value, a number of factors can still make the average temerature fluctuate larger amounts (more than 1.5 degrees) in shorter cycles. The most concerning thing is simply that the highest highs over a given time would be 1.5 degrees higher.
For some statistical data, here is the long-term correlation (in short term, you will find none; there is none to find.)
https://static.skepticalscience.com/pics/icecoredata500x285.gif
The impacts, positive or negative, are slighlty more disputable. I believe them to be mostly bad.