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theprof00 on 28 January 2017

At work, but keeping up with thread. Can't post much.
Ff seems weird. Hats recklessness makes him seem town, but don't feel great about it.
Haven't seen any major scum giveaway yet. Perhaps lurkers.



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NoCtiS_NoX on 28 January 2017
spurgeonryan said:
@ noctis

I said two maybe three.Don't twist my words.

Did you check the link?
FF said not me.



Final-Fan on 28 January 2017
spurgeonryan said:
@ noctis

I said two maybe three.Don't twist my words.

Exactly.  "Two, maybe three" implies that two is AT LEAST as good a possiblity as three, probably more likely 2 than 3.  Is that not what you meant?  And at the very, very least it says that two is a realistic possiblity, while I think it's extremely unrealistic. 

Two scum in a town of 12 ... town outnumbers scum by five to one ... why do you think this is even remotely likely?  Are you a sibling miller or something? 



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Final-Fan on 28 January 2017

So to clarify my posts, spurge, you did say two or three, and I only mentioned the two and not the three because the two was the strange part of what you said. Three is not strange so I am not focusing on it, but this doesn't mean I deny you said it.



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Final-Fan on 28 January 2017
SWORDF1SH said:
Scum reads hat and FF. I feel hat is pushing to end day one quickly so mafia gets a kill before town gets a chance to take down a scum. FF seemed way to eager to put vote somebody so unless he has a personal vendetta it seems like a scum thing to do.
I'm not going to vote yet until everybody has spoken. You can't hide away by being silent so we should make an effort to get the quiet ones to speak up.

So, in your theory, are we on the same team?  Why am I attacking him?  (I'm not saying it couldn't make sense in your theory, I just want to see if your theory explains this behavior.) 



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hatmoza on 29 January 2017
Stefl1504 said:
hatmoza said:

Explain what you mean. Distribute your votes how? What evidence do you have to actually put a serious vote on anyone today?

What kind of stupid lynch could you prevent today?

This post doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe I'm a bit slow and you could elaborate on what you mean.

That is pretty much the explanation why I think that casting indefferent/ez votes is not great. In a game were your votes cannot be un-cast it is better to obtain an image of the situation first. Rashly putting out the 3 no lynch votes gave me a good image of you, but it is so much a no tell to me it hurts me.

A distributed vote for me would be one vote on 3 different people. While a shared one would be 1-2. Then there is a preventative votes which is basically put the remaining votes on no lynch.

If I have to vote on too little ground, I would at least put one of my votes on no lynch to counterbalance it, eventually, this wouldn't get me far, but would also prevent scum from vote-rush a person, which right now is one of the most dangerous things there can be this game.

1 scum theoretically can already win against 3 people just by putting out his votes in a really nice timing.

Yes, one can have serious votes on day one.

Right now I am thinking of putting out a trucks-sword-ff distributed vote. Trucks, show us you're town, I know you can do it ;P

I could prevent any lynch that I personally deem stupid, where lack of evidence occurs, it was just some random lynch-train occuring by people carelessly stacking votes, shit like that.

That's a good attitude to have for future days. And I generally agree but I'm asking specifically about today. I understand why future vote distribution in coming days will be inportant. You did not answer my question. Instead you used future day scenarios to answer a question about day 1. That's something prof would refer to as "meta", no?

I'll ask again. What is an alternative to a no lynch TODAY?



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hatmoza on 29 January 2017
Final-Fan said:
hatmoza said:

@bolded I could care less for the vote but tell me what your suggested alternative is if not start the day with my choice of a no lynch.

Well, just as an example, right now you are "strongly irritated" by Swordfish.  If this means you suspect he might be scum, you are now unable to try to lynch him.  Unless you are 100% committed to a Day 1 No Lynch despite ANYTHING that ANYONE might say—unless you are convinced no one could possibly appear as scum to you worthy of lynching—your votes were foolish.  (Or, of course, you're scum.) 

In addition to the above, votes or the threat of votes are the traditional way to get people to pay attention who otherwise might blow you off.  Whether that's to root out lurkers or for whatever other reason, having a tangible tool to pressure others into discussion is a pretty valuable tool for someone who's actually town. 

Thirdly, I don't know if this was what Stefl was imagining, but suppose that there were two Day 1 lynch trains that developed, and you strongly preferred that whoever was in the lead not be lynched.  You are now unable to sway the lynch to the second train as a suboptimal way to save the person you wanted.  But this is a relatively weak reason because usually No Lynch is a very viable alternative train Day 1, and it appears to be the case this game as well. 

I'm satisfied with this response. And I agree about using votes as a method to bring out lurkers.



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hatmoza on 29 January 2017
SWORDF1SH said:
Scum reads hat and FF. I feel hat is pushing to end day one quickly so mafia gets a kill before town gets a chance to take down a scum. FF seemed way to eager to put vote somebody so unless he has a personal vendetta it seems like a scum thing to do.
I'm not going to vote yet until everybody has spoken. You can't hide away by being silent so we should make an effort to get the quiet ones to speak up.

Did you stop to check who he put that vote on?

Are you and Noctis related? I can't tell if this is an act or if you're just that bad at mafia.



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hatmoza on 29 January 2017
theprof00 said:
At work, but keeping up with thread. Can't post much.
Ff seems weird. Hats recklessness makes him seem town, but don't feel great about it.
Haven't seen any major scum giveaway yet. Perhaps lurkers.

A lurker appears. Explain the reckless to me.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

Darwinianevolution on 29 January 2017

What is the usual proportion of mafias compared to townies?



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