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Steam ID: bladesym | Track of the Week (01/15/2017): Undertale - Megalovania

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Since we can't unvote, both of my votes is going to hats but going to let them hang a little longer. I don't know if we should all just vote hats and get it over with. Prof is the other choice. My suspicions are stronger that both are scum with Prof agreeing with hats and hats happily putting prof on town list for doing very little.
Hats numerous times playing down my votes and opinions because I'm a new to mafia and his latest excuse to put my opinion down is because I'm voting 'emotionally'. I don't think I am voting emotionally otherwise I wouldn't vote you. I enjoyed playing with you last round and think you're a good player. Playing with you taught me a few things about your play style and if you are teaming up with Prof, who is another good player, I wouldn't put it past you 2 to come up with a clever plan to trick us.



I do not think a no lynch would have necessarily been better even if I find it preferential to not lynch anyone day one.

However, we have narrowed down the list of potential scum that lurking around. I think based on the information about who was lynched, there is either one mafia and one third-party day killer, or two mafia and one town day vig. I don't think there are three scum lurking, that seems like it would a bit underpowered for town as the possibility of the game ending too early is there.

As for why I voted padib, it wasn't a dagger vote, I chose to trust hat's judgment and it turned out to be wrong. I still think he was looking for easy lynches, and wanted to 100% confirm that, and I did, and look now, he's completely changed his tone entirely and not haphazardly voting for "lurkers." He'll try to drive the tip of the knife home on anyone on his suspect list. He's flip flopping. I think he's working with only one other person, I don't think the possibility of one mafia are very likely. Instead, there is probably one town member (vig or not) who has the ability to day kill.

And again, I disagree with Hat. I don't think Spurge and Stefl are scum. I trust Sword as well. I do think Hat is scum however, because the way he's playing has been shady. He tried to push for lurker lynches, he got what he wanted and now he's trying to tie the noose around my neck due to my votes. Right now, HoS on him. He also didn't bother answering my question from day one and has casually jumped over it as if it was never there.



Steam ID: bladesym | Track of the Week (01/15/2017): Undertale - Megalovania

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hatmoza said:
Just to let it be known before I get to work on the framework of my thesis the next 24 hours (blah). My tentative final list of scumspects are Blade, Spurge, Stefl, and now Darwin.

FinalFan, Prof, Sword, and Noctis along with myself are the majority of remaining town.

Actually, this is the first post that makes you seem scummy to me... mainly because you seem that sure that prof is town when he seems a bit odd to me. I also don't agree with most of your scumlist. What makes you think Sword is town though? I am mainly curious on that because my opinion on sword is actually... absolutely neutral.



spurgeonryan said:
NoCtiS_NoX said:

Care to answer the question of FF?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8276062

"Only 2 scum in a 12 player game? Why would you expect that to be a serious possibility? FoS spurge."

Here ya go FF. Fuck me that was a waste of a lot of posts from you on the matter. Did you scum hunt or do hardly anything else other than hang onto this? So Noctis thought it was crazy to be two. most likely three he said. STefl thought it was most likely 3, but two a possibility. What do you all think now that we have a load of dead town, what seems_ to be a third party, and whoever else is left?

Okay, I assume this post is in response to the first question I asked in this post:  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8280264
I'm glad that you admit that Noctis didn't say anything even remotely resembling "three (scum) is rubbish (as a probability in this game)". 

I had other really, really important questions for you in that same post, including one that I've been asking you over and over and over for almost the entire game at this point.  Apparently, though, you have the attention span of a butterfly and drifted off after answering the Noctis question.  Read this very, very carefully, spurge.  I need 100% of your attention right now.  One hundred percent. 

Vote spurgeonryan

Do I have your attention now? 

You said, way back then, this: 

spurgeonryan said:
Wouldn't that be fun if everyone voted no lynch and we seriously did no talking today?
Although I kind of agree, nothing to see today.
What are we all thinking? 2 maybe 3 scum, a doc and a cop and that is it, or a few more? Or few less. I cannot ever remember playing a vanilla game before.

and I said: 

Final-Fan said:
Only 2 scum in a 12 player game? Why would you expect that to be a serious possibility? FoS spurge.

 

When I said this, I did not think that you had said there could only possibly be two scum.  But I did think you had said that two scum was a realistic possibility.  ("Two scum" and "three scum" were both realistic possibilities in your mind.)  My question, the same question I have been trying to get you answer for the entire game, is this:  Why did you suggest there was a realistic possibility of only two scum in a game with twelve players? 

Right now, the best hypothesis I have for why you would think that is you are a serial killer and were thinking "2 maybe 3 OTHER scum".  Convince me that you had a different reason. 

P.S.  Yes, I agree that this has gone on for too long and has taken too much of my attention this game.  Do you know whose fault that is?  It's your fucking fault.  You could have answered this very simple question the first time I asked you, or the second time, or the third time, or the time that Noctis asked you to answer it, and so on.  But instead you have continuously dodged around it, intentionally or unintentionally.  Regarding my pursuit of this topic, if I am a monster then I am one you have created yourself. 

P.P.S.  Just in case you missed it, Why did you suggest there was a realistic possibility of only two scum in a game with twelve players? 
Why did you suggest there was a realistic possibility of only two scum in a game with twelve players? 
Why did you suggest there was a realistic possibility of only two scum in a game with twelve players?
 

P.P.P.S.  Could you please point me to the post where Stefl agreed that two scum was a realistic possibility?  I'm about to finally do the full re-read I've been meaning to do, so I may find it myself, but if you find it before I post on the matter I'd appreciate a link or quote. 



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Stefl1504 said:
spurgeonryan said:
@ noctis

I said two maybe three.Don't twist my words.

While I can see where you are coming from, I deem it also weird that you point out 2 at all. And even if it is 2, still more likely to have more scum overall.

@ spurge, if you consider this to be stefl considering "two a possibility", I have to say I disagree when he says it's weird that you would even mention two as a possibility... I mean yes he doesn't 100% call it impossible but he seems also incredulous that you would even consider it. 

P.S.  Friendly reminder:  Why did you suggest there was a realistic possibility of only two scum in a game with twelve players? 



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NoCtiS_NoX said:
Final-Fan said:
Dammit. Spurge's actions have been infuriating, and him dropping off the map right after my ultimatum is really fishy. But padib oozes scum.

Can you please tell me your reasoning for voting Padib? Oozes scum doesn't cut it.

Don't worry, I didn't forget you.  I just saved the best for last!
-I was really impressed by hatmoza's big data contribution, and correspondingly I didn't think much of padib's reason for dismissing its value.  He said that his lack of interaction with players is due to the fact that he is "calm", which is just mind-boggling in and of itself.  Surely he meant some other thing because calmness has nothing to do with whether or not he interacts with other players in the game.  I called this out
-Then he went on the attack against hatmoza and said no one cared about his data. 
-Then he voted TruckOSaurus (pretty much out of nowhere, or so it seemed to me).  He suggested that we "trickle votes in", which made me suspicious that perhaps he was scum who didn't really care who got lynched but just wanted it to be whoever had enough support to accomplish the lynch. 
-Then, after prof voted him, he immediately revenge voted.  I mean if I had more respect for him as a player, I would be more hesitant to consider this a scum tell, but as it stands he's just some guy to me with a textbook scum tell. 

Basically, I completely agreed with prof, so I didn't articulate my own thoughts.  I should have said that much, at the very least.  Whoops. 



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I wasn't as thorough as hatmoza was, but I did do a rough tally of the posts of the living players, aside from myself and hatmoza because right now I trust hatmoza.

Key: a. No value to game. b, c. Little value to game, more value to game - very rough estimate
Parentheses: (posted Jan. 27, 28)
Brackets: [related to FF-spurge feud]
Consecutive posts on a single topic were counted only once (rough estimate)

prof: a: 0 — b: 1 — c: 6
(not sure what to think of him)

Stefl: a: (1) — b: (1)+6 — c: (1)+1+[1]+8
(I disagree with his vote split yesterday but he is not a top suspect)

Darwin: a: (2) — b: (1)+5 — c: 5
(a lot of "recap" posts and "what is happening?/recap for me please" posts. Trying to get participation points without doing much? Definitely a suspect.)

spurge: a: (3)+1 — b: (1) — c: (1:the feud starting post)+[2]+1+[5]+3
(A top suspect. Not just because of the feud, but I didn't write down my thoughts so I forget why. Suprisingly few non-feud posts ... I wonder what his participation would have been like if I hadn't been going after him.)

Swordfish: a: (1) — b: (1)+4 — c: (1)+9
(I disagree with a lot of what he says but he is definitely putting thought into his positions and posts. Lean town, gut feeling)

Noctis: a: (1)+1 — b: 1 — c: 1+[2]+7+[1]
(Doesn't give me a bad feeling)

Blade: a: (1)+1 — b: 2 — c: (1)+6
(Very questionable position at end of yesterday; haven't liked some of his other posts too. His reason for suspecting hatmoza is cause he's less aggressive Day 2 vs. Day 1? Get real. Not confident he's scum but a top suspect)



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Long story short, FoS Blade, FoS Darwin. My undying rage for spurge continues unabated.



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