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binary solo on 25 January 2017
SonytendoAmiibo said:
Normchacho said:

The first key difference is that you tried to pass it off as current information (Strange that a site dedicated to finding the smallest resolution differences now say that resolution doesn't matter.) While DF gave the proper age, and natureof the information they were using in both of those cases.

You still haven't actually formulated a real argument to support your point of view (which I assume is just DF=bad?). All you've done is jump from vague point to vague point without really definding any of them.

First, it was that they were making too many assumptions when talking about leaked specs. When it was pointed out to you that no, they really aren't, you jumped to wanting them to be held legally liable for someone else breaking an NDA for some reason. Then, when you were told that lible laws don't work like that, you posted some random article about the factors that effect image quality. Now, you're back to talking about "misinformation" even though it's been pointed out to you by like half a dozen people that this isn't misinformation.

 

Are you just trolling? Do you have some sort of bone to pick with DF? Did you just not have a clear image of what you wanted to get across when you made the OP? What's going on here?

 

The point has been stated about 100 times now. Surprisingly you have not noticed it.

Fact: Digital Foundry uses outdated info to substantiate their claims.

Fact: Digital Foundry uses assumptions to substantiate their claims.

Fact: Digital Foundry knowingly receives info that is protected by a legally binding NDA agreement. The information was not meant to be revealed to the public and is not yet finalized by the companies involved for public release.

These are the things we are discussing here. But since you have made Digital Foundry an untouchable deity who can never do wrong, maybe you should just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

If DF discloses the nature of their information without revealing the source then "most current information available" is legitimate for the purpose of drawing conclusions on what the information means, if true.

If DF uses assumptions that can be reasonable deduced from information they've received, then there is nothing inherently wrong with assumptions.

If DF is not subject to any NDA or confidentiality then it's a non-issue for them. The only time publishing "secret" information can get you into trouble is 1) if you have signed on to a confidentiality agreement or NDA, or 2) you are revealing govt secrets and you are within the jurisdiction of the official secrets legislation of that govt. Neither situation applies to DF with these leaks. If MS/Nintendo find the employee or contractor who leaked to DF then they have someone they can go after for breach of contract.



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Aura7541 on 25 January 2017
SonytendoAmiibo said:
GProgrammer said:
We know for a fact from benchmarks in some games, the fastest Graphics card in the world can't do 60 fps at 4k.
So why is it shocking that the Scorpio which as MS has admitted is a much slower GPU can't achieve native 4k with some titles.

This thread is not about the capabilities of the Scorpio. Its about Digital Foundry and the wild assumptions they make with there spec leak videos. Their latest Scorpio spec video is a good 75% speculation. Why cant they wait untill they actually get their hands on one to test, and then tell us what the results are?

Because the leaked specs came from Microsoft's developer portal and not just some MisterX-esque site...? And the leaked specs fall in line with Microsoft's 6TP statement. The 12GB of GDDR5 may be the part where the Scorpio is "beefier" than expected. I don't see anything wrong with what Digital Foundry did. The negativity is coming from people who let their expectations go out of hand and that's their fault, not Digital Foundry's.



Pyro as Bill on 25 January 2017
SonytendoAmiibo said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Because if they get lots of people to read the article/watch the video DF gets money.

Yup. To bad peoples greed has to ruin everything.

I don't think it's greedy and I don't think anything's been ruined.



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binary solo on 25 January 2017
SonytendoAmiibo said:
the-pi-guy said:

I never said DF was breaking NDA's either.  

I used the word "they" which can refer to anyone; from context I was referring to your comment here: "people who are obviously breaking NDA'.

Either the info is fake or they are breaking NDA, not both.  

Much of this information gets out to other hands.  If someone breaks an NDA to get information out, do you think it matters who gets the information?  

From DF's perspective, they get the benefit of being the first to break the story.  If they don't break the story, someone else will.  They have no ability to stop it from getting out.  

If I'm someone who doesn't care about my NDA and I want to let people know about something; I'm going to send it to somewhere that can release information.  If that's not DF, then I can send it to someone else.  

But a site highly regarded like Digital Foundry should not be lowering themselves down to the level of common rumor mongers. YouTube already has millions of them already.

If they got information from someone on the inside who is breaking a NDA, then the information isn't rumour and it's likely to be accurate and credible. So if DF believes their source to be reliable, credible and accurate why wouldn't they use it? If the infomration is shown to be inaccurate then DF should stop using that source for information and publicly acknowledge that their information and conclusions were wrong.

People breaking confidences is half of what news has always been about. It is partly why freedom of speech and press freedom laws are all about. If you get information you are not legally obligated to keep secret then you have freedom under the law to make the information public, and the press has an extra measure of freedom under various conditions, because it is in the public interest, generally, for news media to be able to publish information that the great and the powerful would rather keep hidden. DF is part of the news media for gaming.



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brendude13 on 25 January 2017
SonytendoAmiibo said:
GProgrammer said:
We know for a fact from benchmarks in some games, the fastest Graphics card in the world can't do 60 fps at 4k.
So why is it shocking that the Scorpio which as MS has admitted is a much slower GPU can't achieve native 4k with some titles.

This thread is not about the capabilities of the Scorpio. Its about Digital Foundry and the wild assumptions they make with there spec leak videos. Their latest Scorpio spec video is a good 75% speculation. Why cant they wait untill they actually get their hands on one to test, and then tell us what the results are?

Show us on the doll where Digital Foundry touched you.

The truth comes out in the end and it will affect their credibility if they're consistently wrong. Leaks are exciting news and give us an idea of what to expect. As for Scorpio not being "true 4K" in EVERY game, that was expected as it's a very tall order. The rumoured GPU power is the same as what's been speculated from the start.



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SonytendoAmiibo on 25 January 2017
brendude13 said:
SonytendoAmiibo said:

This thread is not about the capabilities of the Scorpio. Its about Digital Foundry and the wild assumptions they make with there spec leak videos. Their latest Scorpio spec video is a good 75% speculation. Why cant they wait untill they actually get their hands on one to test, and then tell us what the results are?

Show us on the doll where Digital Foundry touched you.

The truth comes out in the end and it will affect their credibility if they're consistently wrong. Leaks are exciting news and give us an idea of what to expect. As for Scorpio not being "true 4K" in EVERY game, that was expected as it's a very tall order. The rumoured GPU power is the same as what's been speculated from the start.

 

I could show you where they touched me, but you would have to go out and buy a sports car to compensate. Digital Foundry's reputation is certainly at risk when they assume so much with just vague statements from a developers document. They are loosing credibility in my view by doing so.

   

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Normchacho on 25 January 2017
SonytendoAmiibo said:
brendude13 said:

Show us on the doll where Digital Foundry touched you.

The truth comes out in the end and it will affect their credibility if they're consistently wrong. Leaks are exciting news and give us an idea of what to expect. As for Scorpio not being "true 4K" in EVERY game, that was expected as it's a very tall order. The rumoured GPU power is the same as what's been speculated from the start.

 

I could show you where they touched me, but you would have to go out and buy a sports car to compensate. Digital Foundry's reputation is certainly at risk when they assume so much with just vague statements from a developers document. They are loosing credibility in my view by doing so.

 

1. Relax, Donald Trump.

 

2. What part was vague? Most of it was direct information from MS documents and really the only thing that they were speculating about were things that they believed to be the case before, but have some new evidence that suggests they're right.



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brendude13 on 25 January 2017
SonytendoAmiibo said:
brendude13 said:

Show us on the doll where Digital Foundry touched you.

The truth comes out in the end and it will affect their credibility if they're consistently wrong. Leaks are exciting news and give us an idea of what to expect. As for Scorpio not being "true 4K" in EVERY game, that was expected as it's a very tall order. The rumoured GPU power is the same as what's been speculated from the start.

I could show you where they touched me, but you would have to go out and buy a sports car to compensate. Digital Foundry's reputation is certainly at risk when they assume so much with just vague statements from a developers document. They are loosing credibility in my view by doing so.

Have they been proven wrong yet? He said he confirmed with multiple sources. This is a strong basis for a leak and you're still throwing a hissy fit.

Vague statements? He's literally taking direct quotes that state these specs. I'm sure Digital Foundry cares very much about their credibility in your eyes.



Aura7541 on 25 January 2017
SonytendoAmiibo said:
brendude13 said:

Show us on the doll where Digital Foundry touched you.

The truth comes out in the end and it will affect their credibility if they're consistently wrong. Leaks are exciting news and give us an idea of what to expect. As for Scorpio not being "true 4K" in EVERY game, that was expected as it's a very tall order. The rumoured GPU power is the same as what's been speculated from the start.

I could show you where they touched me, but you would have to go out and buy a sports car to compensate. Digital Foundry's reputation is certainly at risk when they assume so much with just vague statements from a developers document. They are loosing credibility in my view by doing so.

How is 6TF, 12GB GDDR5, higher cache, checkerboard 4K, and likely not Zen CPU vague...?

Also innocent until proven guilty in response to your last sentence.



SonytendoAmiibo on 25 January 2017
Aura7541 said:
SonytendoAmiibo said:

I could show you where they touched me, but you would have to go out and buy a sports car to compensate. Digital Foundry's reputation is certainly at risk when they assume so much with just vague statements from a developers document. They are loosing credibility in my view by doing so.

How is 6TF, 12GB GDDR5, higher cache, checkerboard 4K, and likely not Zen CPU vague...?

Also innocent until proven guilty in response to your last sentence.

 

DF is saying the CPU is not Zen because of a vague statement from the document. Im not saying DF is being vague. Thats a pretty big assumption from one tiny phrase. Sorry to tell you this but Digital Foundry lays it on thick to get views and clicks. I am amazed that there are actual YouTube channel fanboys who will defend their chosen media outlet blindly. Whats next? Breakfast cereal fanboys? Its a sign of the times I guess.

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