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WolfpackN64 said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

"Wilders rise in popularity signifies problems in Dutch society, which the liberals have faild to resolve."

that sounds a whole lot like the American elections, you know, how the Democrats even failed to recognize problem in the American society, and we know how that end up. Also, my point that those Tv personalities, they don’t = Netherlands and the Dutch people still stands up. Also, you haven’t answered my question on regards to what makes the guy a nazi, in your opinion. You avoid it like the plague.

 

What makes Wilders a fascist? Let's see. Blaming minorities for: leeching social profits, stealing jobs (quite contradictory to the first one), claiming to defend "Dutch values" (it seems he missed the virtue of tolerance and basic human decency), claiming to be for "the people" (even though more then half of the Dutch populace doesn't really like him at all) and claiming to be against an elite which is "politically correct" (the Dutch PM is an ass* already so no real need there).

Those are all symptoms of what they like to describe themself as "new realism". In the US, you know this movement as the "alt-right", the core of which, is made up by neo-nazis.

While I'm against liberalism myself, since it instigates inequality, which causes competition between people (and thus also hatred). The solution to this problem is confronting the economic system together, not attacking certain people because they're different and because integration is in itself a difficult process that can and nearly always will cause friction.

See, I don't live in Netherlands , but what you've described sounds familiar, as in someone that actually is in for his country and his people.

You say “Blaming minorities for: leeching social profits, stealing jobs” and you don’t even mention what minorities. Immigrants? Gypsies? Germans ? What minorities you’re talking about? Not mentioning makes it vague, it’s like you have no point. Then, later on you say “The solution to this problem is confronting the economic system together, not attacking certain people because they're different and because integration is in itself a difficult process that can and nearly always will cause friction.” No, that’s not true, we all know about no go zones for white native people in Western Europe. Are you going to blame that on the economy, or realize that some people of different culture don’t want to change and integrate into the European culture.

Then you say “claiming to defend "Dutch values"” have you ever think that by that he means defending the Dutch culture/identity?



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ratuscafoarterea said:
WolfpackN64 said:

What makes Wilders a fascist? Let's see. Blaming minorities for: leeching social profits, stealing jobs (quite contradictory to the first one), claiming to defend "Dutch values" (it seems he missed the virtue of tolerance and basic human decency), claiming to be for "the people" (even though more then half of the Dutch populace doesn't really like him at all) and claiming to be against an elite which is "politically correct" (the Dutch PM is an ass* already so no real need there).

Those are all symptoms of what they like to describe themself as "new realism". In the US, you know this movement as the "alt-right", the core of which, is made up by neo-nazis.

While I'm against liberalism myself, since it instigates inequality, which causes competition between people (and thus also hatred). The solution to this problem is confronting the economic system together, not attacking certain people because they're different and because integration is in itself a difficult process that can and nearly always will cause friction.

See, I don't live in Netherlands , but what you've described sounds familiar, as in someone that actually is in for his country and his people.

You say “Blaming minorities for: leeching social profits, stealing jobs” and you don’t even mention what minorities. Immigrants? Gypsies? Germans ? What minorities you’re talking about? Not mentioning makes it vague, it’s like you have no point. Then, later on you say “The solution to this problem is confronting the economic system together, not attacking certain people because they're different and because integration is in itself a difficult process that can and nearly always will cause friction.” No, that’s not true, we all know about no go zones for white native people in Western Europe. Are you going to blame that on the economy, or realize that some people of different culture don’t want to change and integrate into the European culture.

Then you say “claiming to defend "Dutch values"” have you ever think that by that he means defending the Dutch culture/identity?

It doesn't matter what minority since he has offended a lot of them. Also, no people are inherently dangerous or criminal. "No-go" zones. Do you mean places where you feel uncomfortable walking through because of a huge concentration of certain minorities? Ever heard of gentrification, in which some neighbourhoods are just too expensive so these people band together?

Yes, some people choose to double down on their own identity and some indeed reject our culture. And what's usually the cause of this? lack of opportunity. I live in Belgium. Molenbeek in Brussel is one of these places which has sky-high unemployment, even for people with university degrees. There is also a lot of job market discrimination in Brussels which frustrates a lot of people. Even considering this, and there are people who only take a guided tour through Molenbeek (I'm serious), I've taken several strolls through the neighbourhood and I can tell you it's really not all that dangerous.

Another problem is that people like Wilders constanly bloat the number of muslims in his country and then continues to  place the entire muslim community on the same footing as a bunch of radicals. He then proclaims to defend "Dutch culture and identity". No he doesn't. He's only interested in what he sees as the Dutch identity. Even if you only white Dutch people, the Dutch identity is so much broader then what Wilders will ever accept.

The cultural problem is purpusfully enlarged to comical proportions by those buffoons.



TheWPCTraveler said:
Ten out of ten. Makes me wonder what a Dutch Trump would be like.
Actually, considering how it repeats the "it's true" line too often and not "believe me" in its stead, it drops to a 9.

Here's to also seeing Wilders win (somehow), and the Nederexit manifest itself.

Wilders is not becoming PM, not in a longshot.



WolfpackN64 said:
TheWPCTraveler said:
Ten out of ten. Makes me wonder what a Dutch Trump would be like.
Actually, considering how it repeats the "it's true" line too often and not "believe me" in its stead, it drops to a 9.

Here's to also seeing Wilders win (somehow), and the Nederexit manifest itself.

Wilders is not becoming PM, not in a longshot.

I'm looking through your posts in the thread, and let me just say something.

Remember Hofer losing in Austria because of voter fraud, then because of a stupid man named "Spencer" doing a nazi salute and the media blowing up in concert over something he didn't even do or consent? Yeah.
By the way, if scaremongering is the best way to prevent the identity of the Dutch melting away, then so be it. Just be glad what is happening to the Deutsch Germans will probably not happen to the Dutch at this rate.



 
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WolfpackN64 said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

See, I don't live in Netherlands , but what you've described sounds familiar, as in someone that actually is in for his country and his people.

You say “Blaming minorities for: leeching social profits, stealing jobs” and you don’t even mention what minorities. Immigrants? Gypsies? Germans ? What minorities you’re talking about? Not mentioning makes it vague, it’s like you have no point. Then, later on you say “The solution to this problem is confronting the economic system together, not attacking certain people because they're different and because integration is in itself a difficult process that can and nearly always will cause friction.” No, that’s not true, we all know about no go zones for white native people in Western Europe. Are you going to blame that on the economy, or realize that some people of different culture don’t want to change and integrate into the European culture.

Then you say “claiming to defend "Dutch values"” have you ever think that by that he means defending the Dutch culture/identity?

It doesn't matter what minority since he has offended a lot of them. Also, no people are inherently dangerous or criminal. "No-go" zones. Do you mean places where you feel uncomfortable walking through because of a huge concentration of certain minorities? Ever heard of gentrification, in which some neighbourhoods are just too expensive so these people band together?

Yes, some people choose to double down on their own identity and some indeed reject our culture. And what's usually the cause of this? lack of opportunity. I live in Belgium. Molenbeek in Brussel is one of these places which has sky-high unemployment, even for people with university degrees. There is also a lot of job market discrimination in Brussels which frustrates a lot of people. Even considering this, and there are people who only take a guided tour through Molenbeek (I'm serious), I've taken several strolls through the neighbourhood and I can tell you it's really not all that dangerous.

Another problem is that people like Wilders constanly bloat the number of muslims in his country and then continues to  place the entire muslim community on the same footing as a bunch of radicals. He then proclaims to defend "Dutch culture and identity". No he doesn't. He's only interested in what he sees as the Dutch identity. Even if you only white Dutch people, the Dutch identity is so much broader then what Wilders will ever accept.

The cultural problem is purpusfully enlarged to comical proportions by those buffoons.

Actually it does matter what minorities because you’re not properly explaining yourself.

Also, when I say No Go zones for native whites in Western Europe I’m talking about places like these

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8a7_1485092793   …. Do you think that’s acceptable in Europe? Do you think that is what the European culture stands for? And that is just an example I've seen recently.

 

 



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ratuscafoarterea said:
WolfpackN64 said:

It doesn't matter what minority since he has offended a lot of them. Also, no people are inherently dangerous or criminal. "No-go" zones. Do you mean places where you feel uncomfortable walking through because of a huge concentration of certain minorities? Ever heard of gentrification, in which some neighbourhoods are just too expensive so these people band together?

Yes, some people choose to double down on their own identity and some indeed reject our culture. And what's usually the cause of this? lack of opportunity. I live in Belgium. Molenbeek in Brussel is one of these places which has sky-high unemployment, even for people with university degrees. There is also a lot of job market discrimination in Brussels which frustrates a lot of people. Even considering this, and there are people who only take a guided tour through Molenbeek (I'm serious), I've taken several strolls through the neighbourhood and I can tell you it's really not all that dangerous.

Another problem is that people like Wilders constanly bloat the number of muslims in his country and then continues to  place the entire muslim community on the same footing as a bunch of radicals. He then proclaims to defend "Dutch culture and identity". No he doesn't. He's only interested in what he sees as the Dutch identity. Even if you only white Dutch people, the Dutch identity is so much broader then what Wilders will ever accept.

The cultural problem is purpusfully enlarged to comical proportions by those buffoons.

Actually it does matter what minorities because you’re not properly explaining yourself.

Also, when I say No Go zones for native whites in Western Europe I’m talking about places like these

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8a7_1485092793   …. Do you think that’s acceptable in Europe? Do you think that is what the European culture stands for? And that is just an example I've seen recently.

 

 

 

 

Of course such practices are unnaceptable. But that's really more of a Paris issue and they're aware of it. These things really don't exist in the Benelux. We once had a group of men harrassing women for being out on the streets in Brussels. Needless to say, they got arrested.



TheWPCTraveler said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Wilders is not becoming PM, not in a longshot.

I'm looking through your posts in the thread, and let me just say something.

Remember Hofer losing in Austria because of voter fraud, then because of a stupid man named "Spencer" doing a nazi salute and the media blowing up in concert over something he didn't even do or consent? Yeah.
By the way, if scaremongering is the best way to prevent the identity of the Dutch melting away, then so be it. Just be glad what is happening to the Deutsch Germans will probably not happen to the Dutch at this rate.

The Dutch identity isn't melting away, that's just nonsense.

And Hofer lost,... twice...



WolfpackN64 said:
TheWPCTraveler said:

I'm looking through your posts in the thread, and let me just say something.

Remember Hofer losing in Austria because of voter fraud, then because of a stupid man named "Spencer" doing a nazi salute and the media blowing up in concert over something he didn't even do or consent? Yeah.
By the way, if scaremongering is the best way to prevent the identity of the Dutch melting away, then so be it. Just be glad what is happening to the Deutsch Germans will probably not happen to the Dutch at this rate.

The Dutch identity isn't melting away, that's just nonsense.

And Hofer lost,... twice...

The first due to voter fraud, the second due to what I stated earlier.

Both of which weren't even the fault of his party or himself.



 
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TheWPCTraveler said:
WolfpackN64 said:

The Dutch identity isn't melting away, that's just nonsense.

And Hofer lost,... twice...

The first due to voter fraud, the second due to what I stated earlier.

Both of which weren't even the fault of his party or himself.

Anyway, the FPÖ stands a good chance of winning the parliamentary elections. If they're worse then Trump, we're going to witness the quickest meltdown of human rights in a Western country in decades.