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ps4tw on 01 February 2017
zorg1000 said:
ps4tw said:

Are you serious? You're saying we should ignore the people who have millions, if not billions, tied up in shares because "that's ridiculous"?? Clearly you have no idea how the stock market works, and who buys shares as it is literally their job to predict how a company or product will fare in the future. So good going, you got that completely wrong. 

Honestly, I'll just stop there with you because we can't talk about a company's financial performance if you are so unaware of economics you literally think the opposite to how the market operates, and are casually swapping terms such as "financial decisions" with "being profitable" and "good business decisions" without realising they do not at all mean the same thing (Hint: look up what the phrases actually mean). 

You're right, we should stop now because it's clear that you are going to continue moving goalposts.

You: "Nintendo is dead and they are out of touch!!!!"

Me: "They still sold 80 million units of hardware this generation and are one of the biggest software providers in the industry"

You: "Yeah well they are losing money!!!!!"

Me: "This is their third consecutive year of posting a profit and those losses were primarily due to poor decisions like selling hardware at a loss"

You: "Yeah well investors don't think Switch will do good!!!!"

Me: "Investors predictions aren't proof of anything and can be wrong"

You: "Do you even stock market bro?"

Everybody here can see what your agenda is and how ignorant all of your arguments are.

You: "Nintendo are fine because they sold an abritrary number over 5 years!"

Me: "It's been the worst 5 years on record for them, with their worst performing console and handheld"

You: "BUT ITS ALL GOOD BECAUSE 80 MILLION IS A BIG NUMBER AND THEY'VE MADE SOME MONEY!"

Me: "You do realise there is this thing called a profit margin, and just having a profit isn't actually enough to warrant saying a company is healthy?"

You: "Of course I didn't, I understand nothing about business finance, the economy, investors or shares. "

Me: "Yeah m8 no sh*t"

Pro-tip: When some people have massive amounts of money tied up in Nintendo, it's probably worth listening to them (also known as shareholders)



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bdbdbd on 01 February 2017
ps4tw said:
bdbdbd said:

Your problem is the intepretation of casual. The casual gamer market exists, but the casual gamers market is the core market of the industry. These are the people who buy CoD and FIFA and the likes for the same reasons people watch the popular TV series or watch sports on TV.

No, the problem is your interpretation as it goes against what the market says it is. Let me quote Iwata:

“The Wii was able to reach a large number of new consumers who had never played games before by bringing hands-on experiences with its Wii Sports and Wii Fit. However, we could not adequately create the situation that such new consumers played games frequently or for long, consistent periods. As a result we could not sustain a good level of profit,” said Iwata.

“Moreover, regrettably, what we prioritized in order to reach out to the new audience was a bit too far from what we prioritized for those who play games as their hobby. Consequently, we presume some people felt that the Wii was not a game system for them or they were not willing to play with the Wii even though some compelling games had been released.”

Link here

So, it looks like the only person who thinks casual gamers are the ones who play CoD are you, whereas Iwata and the rest of the industry realise casual gamers are the ones who do not consider it a hobby and played it one off with games like Wii Sports and Wii Fit. 

 

bdbdbd said:

I did read what you wrote. I just failed to see your point because your comparisons make absolutely no sense. You can powerslide in the newest Mario Kart, just like you can shoot in the latest CoD. You have yet to point out how your EMP or health pack makes any difference. There's just new skin on a weapon.

Now you're just being obtuse. I described how I can recreate exactly what I did in Mario Kart 20 years ago in the latest Mario Kart game exactly, through each and every mechanic and type of map, whereas if you were to do exactly what you try to do in CoD 1 what has been done in Infinite Warfare, that would be impossible, and vice-versa.

Iwata was talking about new gamers, as you can read from the first line of the quote. In order for you to be a gamer of any type, you need to play games. In the real world, games like CoD and FIFA are the prime examples of games that casual gamers buy. It's pretty common for FIFA/NHL and CoD being the only games a gamer buys.

All you pointed out was the games having different skins. You could have My Little Ponies shitting rainbows in CoD and call it something you could not do in the earlier games, while all that's different would just be a different skin.



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A_C_E on 01 February 2017

@ OP - I think Nintendo is still developing their next handheld to replace the 3DS. You gave a good reason why the Switch won't replace the 3DS in your remarks that Nintendo would be financially stable if their home console failed but not their handheld division. The battery life is not good enough to be considered a replacement to the 3DS, although I think most people play 3DS at home, but still. Nintendo isn't going to lump those two together for multiple reasons. But I could be wrong.

OR OR OR maybe Nintendo's next handheld could act as a replacement for the Switch controller but not mandatory to be used with Switch. Sounds kind of gimmicky actually...



zorg1000 on 01 February 2017
A_C_E said:
@ OP - I think Nintendo is still developing their next handheld to replace the 3DS. You gave a good reason why the Switch won't replace the 3DS in your remarks that Nintendo would be financially stable if their home console failed but not their handheld division. The battery life is not good enough to be considered a replacement to the 3DS, although I think most people play 3DS at home, but still. Nintendo isn't going to lump those two together for multiple reasons. But I could be wrong.

OR OR OR maybe Nintendo's next handheld could act as a replacement for the Switch controller but not mandatory to be used with Switch. Sounds kind of gimmicky actually...

Price, size & battery life are reasons why Switch likely won't be a replacement for 3DS.........but what happens in 1.5-2 years when Nintendo releases a Switch Lite that is cheaper, smaller & has a longer battery life?

In my opinion, that is when Switch will become the 3DS successor.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

bdbdbd on 01 February 2017
A_C_E said:
@ OP - I think Nintendo is still developing their next handheld to replace the 3DS. You gave a good reason why the Switch won't replace the 3DS in your remarks that Nintendo would be financially stable if their home console failed but not their handheld division. The battery life is not good enough to be considered a replacement to the 3DS, although I think most people play 3DS at home, but still. Nintendo isn't going to lump those two together for multiple reasons. But I could be wrong.

OR OR OR maybe Nintendo's next handheld could act as a replacement for the Switch controller but not mandatory to be used with Switch. Sounds kind of gimmicky actually...

It will replace the 3DS once 3DS stops selling and Switch sales pick up. I'm expecting a handheld only model after a while to do just that. At this point it isn't replacing the 3DS.

What kind of a system would the handheld be that would work as a Switch controller? I mean it's already portable and the connectivity (similar to GBA-GC) is already done by multiple Switches being able to connect wirelessly.



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Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

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ps4tw on 01 February 2017
bdbdbd said:
ps4tw said:

No, the problem is your interpretation as it goes against what the market says it is. Let me quote Iwata:

“The Wii was able to reach a large number of new consumers who had never played games before by bringing hands-on experiences with its Wii Sports and Wii Fit. However, we could not adequately create the situation that such new consumers played games frequently or for long, consistent periods. As a result we could not sustain a good level of profit,” said Iwata.

“Moreover, regrettably, what we prioritized in order to reach out to the new audience was a bit too far from what we prioritized for those who play games as their hobby. Consequently, we presume some people felt that the Wii was not a game system for them or they were not willing to play with the Wii even though some compelling games had been released.”

Link here

So, it looks like the only person who thinks casual gamers are the ones who play CoD are you, whereas Iwata and the rest of the industry realise casual gamers are the ones who do not consider it a hobby and played it one off with games like Wii Sports and Wii Fit. 

 

Now you're just being obtuse. I described how I can recreate exactly what I did in Mario Kart 20 years ago in the latest Mario Kart game exactly, through each and every mechanic and type of map, whereas if you were to do exactly what you try to do in CoD 1 what has been done in Infinite Warfare, that would be impossible, and vice-versa.

Iwata was talking about new gamers, as you can read from the first line of the quote. In order for you to be a gamer of any type, you need to play games. In the real world, games like CoD and FIFA are the prime examples of games that casual gamers buy. It's pretty common for FIFA/NHL and CoD being the only games a gamer buys.

All you pointed out was the games having different skins. You could have My Little Ponies shitting rainbows in CoD and call it something you could not do in the earlier games, while all that's different would just be a different skin.

How is having entirely different game mechanics "different skins"?

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2017/01/23/casual-gamers-wont-buy-the-nintendo-switch/#2b29ad5a76bc

http://mii-gamer.com/2013/06/19/the-wii-u-is-looking-to-be-hardcore-in-2014/

So Forbes idea of casual gamers is wrong, as well as that Nintendo site, but your notion is right? 

Or, how about this gem, Reggie stating flat-out that Nintendo does not do well at making games for core gamers:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/reggie-nintendo-not-good-at-core-games




bdbdbd on 01 February 2017
ps4tw said:
bdbdbd said:

Iwata was talking about new gamers, as you can read from the first line of the quote. In order for you to be a gamer of any type, you need to play games. In the real world, games like CoD and FIFA are the prime examples of games that casual gamers buy. It's pretty common for FIFA/NHL and CoD being the only games a gamer buys.

All you pointed out was the games having different skins. You could have My Little Ponies shitting rainbows in CoD and call it something you could not do in the earlier games, while all that's different would just be a different skin.

How is having entirely different game mechanics "different skins"?

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2017/01/23/casual-gamers-wont-buy-the-nintendo-switch/#2b29ad5a76bc

http://mii-gamer.com/2013/06/19/the-wii-u-is-looking-to-be-hardcore-in-2014/

So Forbes idea of casual gamers is wrong, as well as that Nintendo site, but your notion is right? 

Or, how about this gem, Reggie stating flat-out that Nintendo does not do well at making games for core gamers:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/reggie-nintendo-not-good-at-core-games

And how did the editorials you linked to contradict my post? For the most part I agree with them. 

So, how the game mechanics are different? You are yet to tell me that.



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Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

A_C_E on 01 February 2017
zorg1000 said:

Price, size & battery life are reasons why Switch likely won't be a replacement for 3DS.........but what happens in 1.5-2 years when Nintendo releases a Switch Lite that is cheaper, smaller & has a longer battery life?

In my opinion, that is when Switch will become the 3DS successor.

True, Nintendo could do that. But don't you think Nintendo is also planning on releasing a dedicated handheld system to replace the 3DS isntead of relying on a home console that would cut Nintendo's product line in half? I mean they could sell a home console AND a dedicated handheld or just combine them both and take away a revenue source. I don't think that's likely, but I could be wrong.



A_C_E on 01 February 2017
bdbdbd said:
A_C_E said:
@ OP - I think Nintendo is still developing their next handheld to replace the 3DS. You gave a good reason why the Switch won't replace the 3DS in your remarks that Nintendo would be financially stable if their home console failed but not their handheld division. The battery life is not good enough to be considered a replacement to the 3DS, although I think most people play 3DS at home, but still. Nintendo isn't going to lump those two together for multiple reasons. But I could be wrong.

OR OR OR maybe Nintendo's next handheld could act as a replacement for the Switch controller but not mandatory to be used with Switch. Sounds kind of gimmicky actually...

It will replace the 3DS once 3DS stops selling and Switch sales pick up. I'm expecting a handheld only model after a while to do just that. At this point it isn't replacing the 3DS.

What kind of a system would the handheld be that would work as a Switch controller? I mean it's already portable and the connectivity (similar to GBA-GC) is already done by multiple Switches being able to connect wirelessly.

Something tells me Nintendo isn't waiting for the Switch sales to 'pick-up'. We don't know how successful Switch will be and Nintendo isn't just going to cut their revenue sources from videogames in half. I could be completely wrong here but I believe Nintendo would rather have the Switch be successful as well as have a successful dedicated handheld throughout the 9th gen instead of just the Switch.

I don't know what kind of handheld would work as a Switch controller, it was just a stupid idea that randomly popped in my head...



zorg1000 on 01 February 2017
A_C_E said:
zorg1000 said:

Price, size & battery life are reasons why Switch likely won't be a replacement for 3DS.........but what happens in 1.5-2 years when Nintendo releases a Switch Lite that is cheaper, smaller & has a longer battery life?

In my opinion, that is when Switch will become the 3DS successor.

True, Nintendo could do that. But don't you think Nintendo is also planning on releasing a dedicated handheld system to replace the 3DS isntead of relying on a home console that would cut Nintendo's product line in half? I mean they could sell a home console AND a dedicated handheld or just combine them both and take away a revenue source. I don't think that's likely, but I could be wrong.

No, they have made it clear that they can not effectively support two seperate hardware lines at once and this problem will continue to grow as their devices become more powerful and require larger development teams, times and costs.

Back in 2014, Iwata talked about this and said that going forward they want to create a single, unified platform similar to iOS or Android, where all or most software can be shared across various form factors.

Also, in the last few years they merged the handheld & consoles divisions of software & hardware so there is no longer a handheld software team and a console software team, there is now simply just a software team. Same for the hardware side of things.

I strongly believe going forward Switch will be the only hardware line they support and they will offer different form factors.

Nintendo Switch-tablet style, hybrid device

Switch Lite-smaller, cheaper, portable only device

Switch TV-cheaper, microconsole, TV only device

That's just an example of what we could see and would essentially be the equivelent of Nintendo's versions of iPad, iPod & Apple TV.



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