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bdbdbd said:

No it isn't flawed. How do you know they were done with a fraction of the budget? 

Yes it is flawed like it or not, a cheap game making as much as a shipment of 3m software with out the hardware costs signals how significant it is.

How do I know? Well knowing how design and development goes it's not rocket science something like PGO, SMR and Miitomo won't require anywhere near the budget of games like Odyssey, S/M and BOTW.



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Trunkin said:

My theory is that Nintendo is holding off on introducing the Switch as a 3DS successor until they can implement a die shrink to improve battery life in portable mode, and get the price down to something mobile gamers would be able to accept. 3DS sales are strong for the time being, so they're going to ride that horse for as long as it will carry them. In the mean time, Switch will be marketed as the "Home Console" that you can take with you anywhere. I don't expect it to stay this way, though. There's just no point in them releasing a Hybrid system if they plan to continue making dedicated handheld systems. I also feel that the limited software lineup and low early shipments are evidence of this March release being a bit of a soft launch for what will eventually grow to be Nintendo's sole gaming platform.

 

Actually the hybrid system makes perfect sense as home console. That's because it's a clever way to have the device in people's hands. Wii got popular because of people visiting people who had the system, same did the NES. Switch you can take with you and play with a friend or two on the go, and they get a hold of the system. Also the off-TV was a great feature Wii U. Switch looks more like a reaction to trends you see kids doing these days.



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ps4tw said:
zorg1000 said:

Having good third party support and having the biggest third party games have nothing to do with one another.

Also your original post said nothing about "mature" and even if it did, the list of games he showed had a handful of T & M rated games.

"With regards to trends, while Nintendo might be dipping it's toes into the waters of mobile gaming, their IPs remain largely unchanged for the last 30 years!! Gaming has dramatically changed and is considered more mature today, yet Nintendo still have a heavy focus on IPs that are considered childish."

So you're saying "good" third party support doesn't mean it has to have the important 3rd party titles?? How is that by any definition "good"??

Your arguments literally make no sense. You talk about Nintendo games not evolving but then say they need things like FIFA & Call of Duty, annual franchises with minimal changes to the gameplay, that is the definition of a contradiction.

Not only that, but its completely false. Compare Super Mario Odyssey & Breath of the Wild on Switch to Super Mario Bros & Legend of Zelda on NES. Nevermind, you're right, they remain largely unchanged.

Yeah, Nintendo has sold 80 million units of hardware and over 200 million units of 1st party software with multiple games selling over 10 million, more than a dozen over 5 million and over 50 over 1 million this generation primarily on the strength of these "childish" games. They should totally abandon that market and make a console to compete directly with PS/XB and focus on online shooters, open-world action games and annual sports sims. It totally makes sense to abandon a market you have on lockdown and get in a war of attrition fighting for a market that others have.

And yes, 100% a device can have good 3rd party support despite not having the big games on other platforms.



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Wyrdness said:

Yes it is flawed like it or not, a cheap game making as much as a shipment of 3m software with out the hardware costs signals how significant it is.

How do I know? Well knowing how design and development goes it's not rocket science something like PGO, SMR and Miitomo won't require anywhere near the budget of games like Odyssey, S/M and BOTW.

Pokemon Go is likely a damn expensive game to maintain. I wouldn't be surprised if Pokemon Go had already cost more than S&M did.

I doubt Super Mario Run was that much cheaper to manufacture than NSMB. You can't just go on to compare the obvious lower budget games to Nintendo's highest budget games. You could make the same games on 3DS instead of phones and tablets.

Fire Emblem is going to make more money on mobile than it does on consoles, I'm quite sure about it. 



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Its funny that people can say Nintendo is out of touch with their software without realizing that Nintendo sells more software than anybody.



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zorg1000 said:
Its funny that people can say Nintendo is out of touch with their software without realizing that Nintendo sells more software than anybody.

Don't let the facts fool you. Doomed since 1889.



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bdbdbd said:

Pokemon Go is likely a damn expensive game to maintain. I wouldn't be surprised if Pokemon Go had already cost more than S&M did.

I doubt Super Mario Run was that much cheaper to manufacture than NSMB. You can't just go on to compare the obvious lower budget games to Nintendo's highest budget games. You could make the same games on 3DS instead of phones and tablets.

Fire Emblem is going to make more money on mobile than it does on consoles, I'm quite sure about it. 

PGO is always generating revenue and tbf if every quarter it's generating the amount that software shipments of 3m put out than that far outweighs any cost to maintain it by miles.

SMR is a simple runners game that has the Mario skin it won't cost anywhere near as much as NSMB and yes I can compare them because that's the whole point of the context, you asked a question and I gave you the answer. These games aren't on 3DS for the reason I gave you earliar.



Wyrdness said:
bdbdbd said:

Pokemon Go is likely a damn expensive game to maintain. I wouldn't be surprised if Pokemon Go had already cost more than S&M did.

I doubt Super Mario Run was that much cheaper to manufacture than NSMB. You can't just go on to compare the obvious lower budget games to Nintendo's highest budget games. You could make the same games on 3DS instead of phones and tablets.

Fire Emblem is going to make more money on mobile than it does on consoles, I'm quite sure about it. 

PGO is always generating revenue and tbf if every quarter it's generating the amount that software shipments of 3m put out than that far outweighs any cost to maintain it by miles.

SMR is a simple runners game that has the Mario skin it won't cost anywhere near as much as NSMB and yes I can compare them because that's the whole point of the context, you asked a question and I gave you the answer. These games aren't on 3DS for the reason I gave you earliar.

Of course it's making more money than it takes to maintain, that's why they maintain it. I don't think Pokemon Go is making money for Nintendo a hundred million per quarter, especially when the initial excitement is over. 

SMR is a simple runner game, and it did cost less than NSMB, yes. But I think you underestimate the cost of the game and overestimate the cost of NSMB, when the latter NSMB games have just been rehashes, Nintendo obviously made them just out of leftovers from other earlier games. SMR cost less than NSMB, but I doubt it cost that much less.



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bdbdbd said:

Of course it's making more money than it takes to maintain, that's why they maintain it. I don't think Pokemon Go is making money for Nintendo a hundred million per quarter, especially when the initial excitement is over. 

SMR is a simple runner game, and it did cost less than NSMB, yes. But I think you underestimate the cost of the game and overestimate the cost of NSMB, when the latter NSMB games have just been rehashes, Nintendo obviously made them just out of leftovers from other earlier games. SMR cost less than NSMB, but I doubt it cost that much less.

Even if it doesn't generate 1b in revenue every quarter it's still generating constant profit something shipped software doesn't do, by the time they pull the plug on PGO it would have generated more money than the majority of games they've ever released this isn't even up for debate.

SMR is far more simple than NSMB, a small team of a few people could even do development for it unlike NSMB which required an entire team as the designs in the latter are leagues above what SMR has even the rehashes, the latter won't even come close to NSMB in costs to make.



Wyrdness said:
bdbdbd said:

Of course it's making more money than it takes to maintain, that's why they maintain it. I don't think Pokemon Go is making money for Nintendo a hundred million per quarter, especially when the initial excitement is over. 

SMR is a simple runner game, and it did cost less than NSMB, yes. But I think you underestimate the cost of the game and overestimate the cost of NSMB, when the latter NSMB games have just been rehashes, Nintendo obviously made them just out of leftovers from other earlier games. SMR cost less than NSMB, but I doubt it cost that much less.

Even if it doesn't generate 1b in revenue every quarter it's still generating constant profit something shipped software doesn't do, by the time they pull the plug on PGO it would have generated more money than the majority of games they've ever released this isn't even up for debate.

SMR is far more simple than NSMB, a small team of a few people could even do development for it unlike NSMB which required an entire team as the designs in the latter are leagues above what SMR has even the rehashes, the latter won't even come close to NSMB in costs to make.

It is going to make more money than just about anything, but they could make, say, two or three games and maybe make even more money.

I don't think the difference is that big. In any case, NSMB makes a lot more money.



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