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SWORDF1SH said:
BladeSymphony said:
Noctis, why am I still on your scum list? I'd like an explanation for that.

The case against Sword is strong and he seems to be crumbling. I can't say I trust Clyde either. Why are you so focused on whom I sent my message to?

What case against me?

I made a case against Noctis and he made no case against me at all other than give the 'b b but you also did!' line while ignoring a few claims.

In fact no strong claims have been made against me at all. Not sure why trying to weed out scum is considered 'crumbling'. How can anybody who isn't scum read what Noctis wrote and agree with his claims that are so weak that he can only repeat what I said to him.

And to the guy claiming I'm using the noob card, day 1 I asked alot of questions. Day 2 had no time hence why I was quiet. Day 3 making an effort to investigate. Don't think I really used the noob card since day 1. 

Your case against noctis is a null read, because like he said, you yourself are guilty of it. How can you assume the meta that scum will not post until their name is called out, when by all information you should have as a town, you are doing the same thing? It's not "b b but you did", it's, "your accusation is irrelevant".

There haven't been any strong claims against you. That's true. There isn't much. But there isn't a whole lot supporting your town credit either. 

In my opinion, a lot of your play so far seems a bit disgenuine. It comes off like you're just seeing what you think works, and mimicking it as best you can. Not to use my own experience against you, but in my first game as town, I was extremely confused. I even said, "how the fuck are we supposed to find mafia". To me, the game didn't make any sense - that I could just read what people are saying and figure out who the bad guys are. In my opinion, I don't feel the same when I read your posts. You have a certain air of knowledge that I don't think you should have, and your push for noctis seems a bit weak. Not that the argument is weak, but it feels like you almost don't believe what you're saying yourself. 



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theprof00 said:
SWORDF1SH said:

What case against me?

I made a case against Noctis and he made no case against me at all other than give the 'b b but you also did!' line while ignoring a few claims.

In fact no strong claims have been made against me at all. Not sure why trying to weed out scum is considered 'crumbling'. How can anybody who isn't scum read what Noctis wrote and agree with his claims that are so weak that he can only repeat what I said to him.

And to the guy claiming I'm using the noob card, day 1 I asked alot of questions. Day 2 had no time hence why I was quiet. Day 3 making an effort to investigate. Don't think I really used the noob card since day 1. 

Your case against noctis is a null read, because like he said, you yourself are guilty of it. How can you assume the meta that scum will not post until their name is called out, when by all information you should have as a town, you are doing the same thing? It's not "b b but you did", it's, "your accusation is irrelevant".

There haven't been any strong claims against you. That's true. There isn't much. But there isn't a whole lot supporting your town credit either. 

In my opinion, a lot of your play so far seems a bit disgenuine. It comes off like you're just seeing what you think works, and mimicking it as best you can. Not to use my own experience against you, but in my first game as town, I was extremely confused. I even said, "how the fuck are we supposed to find mafia". To me, the game didn't make any sense - that I could just read what people are saying and figure out who the bad guys are. In my opinion, I don't feel the same when I read your posts. You have a certain air of knowledge that I don't think you should have, and your push for noctis seems a bit weak. Not that the argument is weak, but it feels like you almost don't believe what you're saying yourself. 

I think Noctis has confused the truth for you. Nobody made a claim against me. My claim is hat scared him into acting like town. He was happy to fly under the radar until hat made a good claim against him. Me, nobody has even made a good claim against me and there's a good reason for that. This is my first comment in accusing Noctis, 

'You are top of my list actually. You only made an effort to investigate once triggered by hatmoza, staying low didn't work out and once you were highlighted you made a huge effort to seem like you were town. I don't buy this at all. To answer you're question, I believe I answered all my questions. What questions did I dodge?'

 

Now I believe I've answered any questions towards me. Noctis is trying to make it sound that continuing to answer these questions, like I always have, sound similar to the way he acted by being scared into acting like town after staying low didn't work out. Then he continued to make numerous claims against other people to take the attention away from himself. You've been fooled by Noctis and the way you're defending should make me suspicious of you but I'm sure you're town from your previous posts.  

I'm so sure Noctis is scum that there's is very little chance of me changing my vote.



Clyde32 said:
I don't really see what a massclaim would accomplish in a dark game.

Two scum reads on you Clyde:

1- If you're not town then yeah, you wouldn't see the benefit of a massclaim.

2- Noctis is a shitty player, so I care not for his vote. You on the other your vote is very untown-like. You waited for at least one person to vote me before putting your own vote.  You come off as uneager to to want to give my situation time to potentially resolve itself. Your reasoning for the vote is "I trust Truck over hat". This is not about who's lying, but the possibility of someone resolving a possible manipulation between Trucks and I. Your vote is very weak.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

Actually hadn't realized that someone else voted for you.



@sword
Power roles tend to keep quiet until they have something to say, so noctis' behavior isn't really that surprising. Add to that the fact that he could only use his power day 2 and today, he actually helped his role by staying low. Which is a fairly good excuse.

Not to be critical of your play or anything, but the way you're trying to tell me that noctis has confused me comes off as really slimy, and you're just kind of repeating what hatmoza said...but hatmoza also suspects ff and clyde and you've said nothing about them. Why go after noc and not ask a single question about the other two?

Furthermore, why do you even trust hat? Even I don't trust him completely. I'm assuming you trust hatmoza because he called out an enemy of the town and proved his role. However, like I've said, axum only admitted to being an sk. And if he is an sk, then there's still possibility that hatmoza is mafia, and eliminating a serial killer helps mafia just as much as it helps town.

I'm not saying hat is scum, or that you're scum, or that noc isn't (although I'm 99% sure noc is town. I'm saying that the circumstances by which you've come to suspect noctis is very fragile.

Back to noc saying "b b b but you did too". As I just finished saying, there's a plausible reason why noc chose to be quiet, but if you were to be pressed for some kind of contribution, what would you be able to provide? I'm assuming it wouldn't be as much.

Also, I'm confident that noctis role is confirmed. For instance, I guessed that arminillo was a mortician. If noc were lying, he could've easily just confirmed that I was right. But he said cpr doctor, which is kind of a reach.

Tldr; I think your case against noctis is fairly weak, I believe noc is town, and I have more questions about your alignment than I do about his.



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As I said, after all the claims, by process of elimination it really comes down to these 4:
Clyde, ff, miz, sword, and a wild card with hatmoza.



Also, if there is a busdriver, speak now or you will be lynched when you do claim. We've gotten so much info today that not speaking up is confirmation that you do not have towns interest at heart.



@noctis
Did you receive a letter from blade?



theprof00 said:
nobodies claims are going to tell us if hatmoza is scum or not. You can either vote him or not.
Personally, I think the scum are:
miz, ff, sword, clyde
hatmoza is of course a possibility, but is entirely dependant on whether axum was actually an sk or not.
ie; if axum was sk, then the likelihood of hatmoza being scum increases, but if axum was mafia, then hatmoza is town.

I'm pretty sure that axum wasn't mafia because I'm a cop, and I scanned him N1 and hatmoza N2 and the results were "innocent" both times.  (For the new players:  this is a standard result for serial killers and non-mafia in general in a standard cop investigation.) 

I mean, I could hypothetically be naive cop I guess but that's just blatant cruelty in a dark game. 



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theprof00 said:
nobodies claims are going to tell us if hatmoza is scum or not. You can either vote him or not.
Personally, I think the scum are:
miz, ff, sword, clyde
hatmoza is of course a possibility, but is entirely dependant on whether axum was actually an sk or not.
ie; if axum was sk, then the likelihood of hatmoza being scum increases, but if axum was mafia, then hatmoza is town.

Wait, why would hatmoza be town when he claimed ROLE COP and said axum was serial killer? 



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