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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 30 April 2017
Bandorr said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Huh???

You do know that what you linked to is the code for the emulator and not the game right??? All the emulator is, is a program that allows you to run the game. You need to get the game by yourself whether by buying it or downloading it via piracy sites or other methods.

You could be right.  I was thinking the "P" was persona 5.

Looking at the FAQ "RPCS3 is an open-source Sony PlayStation 3 emulator" I see how I created a huge confusion.

My deepest apologies for causing any trouble over such stupid confusion lol.

No worries, it happens to everyone at somepoint.



                  

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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 30 April 2017

Think of it like this guys... Digital Foundry promotes Emulation in their DF:Retro videos every Sunday... Would they actually promote it if it was so bad?



                  

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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 30 April 2017
Bandorr said:
Captain_Yuri said:

No worries, it happens to everyone at somepoint.

I still object to discussion "emulation" of games that are literally a month old. But clearly it isn't breaking any rules because it isn't actually linking to the game or the code.

I suspect the "threads" will eventually evolve to actually linking to the final product though. But I can hold that complaint until they do.

And yes I think time is important. Games have a certain life span. Wii games? Have for the most part outlived their life span. Breath and Persona 5 aren't.

I can certainly understand why people might have "time" as an issue but my thinking is this. No one comes to vgc to get the latest news on emulation and it will never happen because there are plenty of sites who do emulation coverage and they are much better at it. Heck, even sites like Kotaku covers Emulators.

Emulation in general is a PC only thing and vgc is mainly a console site. Those of us on this site that have a gaming PC that is powerful enough to run these games most likely bought the platform and the game already. And if we didn't, then bringing piracy into the mix of every thread isn't going to solve anything because the moral compass was long gone before vgc was a thing. Emulating the game is also arguably harder than say pirating a PC game because it's not just "install, run and the have fun." Emulating a game more often than not makes you tinker with the settings a lot in order to even make it run at playable settings and etc.

Considering how afraid some people seem to be on this site about even touching a PC, I feel like having a thread once a while about emulation, even if it's for a month old game, won't do damage to really anyone. Those of us who want to emulate certainly isn't coming to vgc to get our goods and those of us who don't know much about emulation but want to know how to do it aren't coming to vgc either. 

At the end of the day, all I want is to have a discussion from time to time about emulation without someone nagging about piracy because a normal person wouldn't know how to even begin to emulate and even if he gets the instuctions, he/she still needs a beefy PC to do so... And by that point, if the person decides to pirate it, someone pointing out that it is piracy isn't going to stop them imo. Since pirating isn't something that most people know how to do either. (Considering how easy it is to get a virus)



                  

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NintendoPie on 01 May 2017
Captain_Yuri said:

Think of it like this guys... Digital Foundry promotes Emulation in their DF:Retro videos every Sunday... Would they actually promote it if it was so bad?

Giving a pass on someone/something because someone/something said it's fine is never a good argument. Your side made more sense when you were attempting to argue that emulation is fine because you are still somehow supporting the devs than when you went this route.



Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 01 May 2017
NintendoPie said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Think of it like this guys... Digital Foundry promotes Emulation in their DF:Retro videos every Sunday... Would they actually promote it if it was so bad?

Giving a pass on someone/something because someone/something said it's fine is never a good argument. Your side made more sense when you were attempting to argue that emulation is fine because you are still somehow supporting the devs than when you went this route.

How is mentioning them made my argument any different since DF also tells people to buy the games and not pirate them...

It's basically the samething, I am just using DF as an example to show how it's not only pirates who promotes emulation.



                  

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NintendoPie on 01 May 2017
Captain_Yuri said:
NintendoPie said:

Giving a pass on someone/something because someone/something said it's fine is never a good argument. Your side made more sense when you were attempting to argue that emulation is fine because you are still somehow supporting the devs than when you went this route.

How is mentioning them made my argument any different since DF also tells people to buy the games and not pirate them...

Because the post I quoted didn't say "DF also tells people to buy the games and not pirate them" it basically said, "DF promotes it, so why would it be bad?"

Now that I re-read that though, are you saying DF promotes both pirating in one of their segments (DF:Retro) while also telling people to not pirate in general? I don't watch DF videos regularly so I couldn't say where they stand. If so, that makes it seem like an even less useful argument.



Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 01 May 2017
NintendoPie said:
Captain_Yuri said:

How is mentioning them made my argument any different since DF also tells people to buy the games and not pirate them...

Because the post I quoted didn't say "DF also tells people to buy the games and not pirate them" it basically said, "DF promotes it, so why would it be bad?"

Now that I re-read that though, are you saying DF promotes both pirating in one of their segments (DF:Retro) while also telling people to not pirate in general? I don't watch DF videos regularly so I couldn't say where they stand. If so, that makes it seem like an even less useful argument.

I guess it could have been worded better. I just used them cause if emulation was so bad enough to make every emulation thread about piracy, they certainly wouldn't be promoting them and MS wouldn't have used DF to reveal Scorpio.

And no, what I am saying is, DF promotes emulation... Not piracy... Its essentially that what they do is, everytime they have a retro game, they show the game and what the game is great to play on and what is the best way to play them. They want people to buy it and if the person can't buy the console or want the best way to play the game, just emulate it.



                  

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ktay95 on 01 May 2017

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8398049
So yeah if this isn't a mod approving of baiting then I don't know what is. If this was about any of the 3 console manufacturers they would be banned but instead we have a mod supporting this kind of behaviour.
Idk if you already have but y'all need to get together and have a chat about this because treating a certain group here differently to the others is pretty bs.



outlawauron on 01 May 2017
Captain_Yuri said:

Can we have a discussion about emulation and piracy for a bit because I feel like this is sorta getting out of hand. Every time someone has a thread about emulation, it more often than not leads to talk about piracy even though the OP has nothing to do with piracy. Some of us actually like playing certain games at higher resolution with better performance and mods believe it or not while supporting the devs...

The people in this site who generally are interested in emulation usually either own the system or own the game or both. Yea there is a legal gray area and blah blah blah but virtually everyone in this site knows that. Does every single emulation thread have to result in piracy talk? Because imo, that should be considered off-topic if the OP has nothing to do with piracy... If people want to discuss emulation and piracy, they should make their own thread imo.

Case and Point:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=228119

Who are those us, because it's not you.



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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 01 May 2017

outlawauron said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Can we have a discussion about emulation and piracy for a bit because I feel like this is sorta getting out of hand. Every time someone has a thread about emulation, it more often than not leads to talk about piracy even though the OP has nothing to do with piracy. Some of us actually like playing certain games at higher resolution with better performance and mods believe it or not while supporting the devs...

The people in this site who generally are interested in emulation usually either own the system or own the game or both. Yea there is a legal gray area and blah blah blah but virtually everyone in this site knows that. Does every single emulation thread have to result in piracy talk? Because imo, that should be considered off-topic if the OP has nothing to do with piracy... If people want to discuss emulation and piracy, they should make their own thread imo.

Case and Point:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=228119

Who are those us, because it's not you.

How isn't it me...?



                  

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