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Bandorr said:
vivster said:
Can someone explain this to me?
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/profile/65812/contestgamer/
I fail to see the alleged sexism in any of the mentioned posts. Or is this just the new age interpretation of mentioning a gender = sexism, just like mentioning a race = racism?

It is pretty obvious. Did you read both quotes given?  It is clearly implying that a game with a female lead can never sell well.  Or is it sale? I should look up the difference one day.

That the entire fault of the game lie in it being a female character and only that.

"Sell" is a verb, "Sale" is a noun so you used it correctly.

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Bandorr said:
TruckOSaurus said:

"Sell" is a verb, "Sale" is a noun. So you used it correctly.

Thanks. I always do lay and lie wrong also. I even have a cheat sheet on my phone I have to check.

Sale is a verb, okay I think I can remember that.  Sad thing is English is my first language. I'm just awful at certain word choices.

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Bandorr said:
TruckOSaurus said:

The other way around

Grammar and Monday's don't mix. But seriously I think I had the right one in mind I just wrote the wrong one down.  If I don't put thought into what I write I just use any homophone possible.

There/Their, Which/Witch etc.

Something is on sale, you sell something. Yeah I got it.

dont worry nobody on this forum is going to blame you if its the incorrect useage



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Bandorr said:
vivster said:
Can someone explain this to me?
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/profile/65812/contestgamer/
I fail to see the alleged sexism in any of the mentioned posts. Or is this just the new age interpretation of mentioning a gender = sexism, just like mentioning a race = racism?

It is pretty obvious. Did you read both quotes given?  It is clearly implying that a game with a female lead can never sell well.  Or is it sale? I should look up the difference one day.

That the entire fault of the game lie in it being a female character and only that.

That's not what he said. That's A LOT of reading into it. He's saying that the gender of the protagonist has a profound impact on sales. That is an accurate observation of the industry. We've heard from the industry itself that they're operating on exactly that assumption. And even if that statement is wrong, he's not treating women as lesser people. He's just saying that a game might sell less with a female protagonist given the demographics. It's exactly the same as pointing out that porn games with a mostly male cast will sell less than games with a mostly female cast, because that's what the demographic is mostly looking for.

Again, pointing out a gender or the difference in genders is not sexism. Saying that black comedy clubs sell more tickets to black people than white people is also not racist. It's a description of reality.



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Bandorr said:
vivster said:
Can someone explain this to me?
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/profile/65812/contestgamer/
I fail to see the alleged sexism in any of the mentioned posts. Or is this just the new age interpretation of mentioning a gender = sexism, just like mentioning a race = racism?

It is pretty obvious. Did you read both quotes given?  It is clearly implying that a game with a female lead can never sell well.  Or is it sale? I should look up the difference one day.

That the entire fault of the game lie in it being a female character and only that.

I have to agree with vivster, at least the cited post in the ban is not sexist at all.

Saying "Not as many people will buy the game because the protagonist is black." Is not racist, it's a statement on society. What he said in that post isn't sexist in the slightest. Saying a game with a female protagonist will not sell as much is NOT sexist.



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Barkley said:
Bandorr said:

It is pretty obvious. Did you read both quotes given?  It is clearly implying that a game with a female lead can never sell well.  Or is it sale? I should look up the difference one day.

That the entire fault of the game lie in it being a female character and only that.

I have to agree with vivster, at least the cited post in the ban is not sexist at all.

Saying "Not as many people will buy the game because the protagonist is black." Is not racist, it's a statement on society. What he said in that post isn't sexist in the slightest. Saying a game with a female protagonist will not sell as much is NOT sexist.

I must rally behind them and say that I was also scratching my head when I saw this ban.

One of the few occasions I have fully agreed with Vivster.



Hynad said:
Barkley said:

I have to agree with vivster, at least the cited post in the ban is not sexist at all.

Saying "Not as many people will buy the game because the protagonist is black." Is not racist, it's a statement on society. What he said in that post isn't sexist in the slightest. Saying a game with a female protagonist will not sell as much is NOT sexist.

I must rally behind them and say that I was also scratching my head when I saw this ban.

One of the few occasions I have fully agreed with Vivster.

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I have to agree with vivster and the others on this.

Bandorr said:
vivster said:
Can someone explain this to me?
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/profile/65812/contestgamer/
I fail to see the alleged sexism in any of the mentioned posts. Or is this just the new age interpretation of mentioning a gender = sexism, just like mentioning a race = racism?

It is pretty obvious. Did you read both quotes given?  It is clearly implying that a game with a female lead can never sell well.  Or is it sale? I should look up the difference one day.

That the entire fault of the game lie in it being a female character and only that.

You're misrepresenting what he posted. He didn't say any of that. That's your interpretation of what you thought he said.



So I guess we'll just wait the ban out and hope nobody remembers the ban note.



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CGI-Quality said:
vivster said:
So I guess we'll just wait the ban out and hope nobody remembers the ban note.

I really don't want a million page debate on what sexism is/isn't. So, your best bet for an explanation (should he choose to give one) is to just PM Bristow, or wait out a reply in here. Just remember that he doesn't have to reply to it at all, so be prepared for any outcome.

I discussed this with him a few days ago. He's standing firm on the decision (particularly since it was for multiple infractions), but like I said, maybe he'd be willing to explain it a bit more from his perspective.

As far as I understood, the mod team is still a team and difficult or contested actions or decisions are discussed within the team. Seeing how no one else responded, does that mean the team is backing Bristow's decision? Or is my understanding wrong? Which would beg the question what happens when there is internal disagreement. He should be able to defend his decision publicly. If he can't, that just sheds even more doubt on his action and the mod team as a whole of course. If this issue was simply solved by a nice private chat I wouldn't be posting here. If this is too humiliating or stressful for a mod to do publicly, then either I or the mods have a different understanding of what it means to be a public authority figure.

I think this is absolutely the right place to discuss the definition of sexism since it is certainly a hard trigger for bans on this forum and if it isn't clearly defined, we will end up with highly contested decisions like this one.

All we have for now is a mod claiming that a user said something he never did and who handed out a ban on that premise. Unless he was referencing posts that weren't in the ban notice. But since you said that he stands firm on his decision I'm sure he has no problem delivering a solid defense.

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