I have NO idea how the Pro is selling, so I can't comment on that. People will buy the Scorpio though, because I could see MS marketing the hell out of the thing like a brand new console. If people flocked to One S just because it had a 4k player, they'll likely get this.
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| shikamaru317 said: It definitely hasn't been selling super well, beyond the launch that is. For most of the Holiday season it wasn't in the top 40 on Amazon and on Gamestop's and Best Buy's online charts it wasn't selling nearly as well as the PS4 Slim SKU or most of the XB1 SKU's. It's selling fairly well considering the $400 price and lack of bundled games, but it's not selling on par with PS4's 2013 launch due to competition from PS4 Slim. I don't think it necessarily spells doom for Scorpio though. PS4 Pro has had a lot of mixed messaging, too few games had Pro patches at launch, and it's not very well balanced (CPU bottlenecks the GPU far too often). If MS can solve most of those problems they should be in much better shape imo. They need to get their messaging clear, they need to make sure that there are alot more games supporting Scorpio at release, they need to design it so that it's well balanced (Zen CPU or at least a low power Excavator CPU), and most importantly they need to aim for $450 at most, $400 being preferable. |
Also, Scorpio will be a bigger step forward than the Pro. This in and of itself will help Scorpio sell. There's also the fact that people know that it is coming in 10-11 months that may have held down sales of the Pro this year. I also noticed that it was often out of stock at my local Target and Walmart. That could either mean it sold well so they ran out, or that it wasn't considered an important item to keep in stock. They've also been out of Wii U for months. So, I don't think it means much.
I got a Pro last month. I didn't own a PS4 previously. If I already had a regular PS4, I don't think I would have upgraded to a Pro. It's just not that big of an upgrade. But, considering that I was going to get into the PS4 universe, I figured it made sense to do it at the top level.
I *do* own a Xbone, and I probably will upgrade to Scorpio. Its not a big enough deal to entice me to pre-order, but I'll probably get one once I see a decent deal for it. That's because (it appears) that there is a good bit to gain in the upgrade.
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| vivster said: The only ominous sign for the Scorpio is that it's an Xbox. That will hurt the sales more than anything else. People have already decided that they don't really want an Xbox this gen and Scorpio won't change that. Unless of course you're under the delusion that PS4 only sells this well because of power difference. |
This comment doesn't make much sense. XB1 is selling well. It is on pace to approximately match sales of the 360. It is simply incorrect to say that people have decided they don't want an Xbox this gen.
The PS4 Pro is for a limited audience (gamers who obsess about performance or gamers who care about pixels/4K). For the average gamer, the price of the console trumps everything.
Wasn't the arcade edition of the X360 the better selling edition vs the Elite last gen?
I think as 4KTV sales become more and more the norm, more new buyers of the PS4 will favor the Pro model, but right now there's only so many 4KTVs out there. Eventually though every flat panel TV at the store will be a 4K set.
I don't think Sony expected the Pro to start dominating sales charts and I don't think anyone expects the Scorpio to magically win MS the gen.
RolStoppable said:
Well, that's a different subject. You are thinking of "can Xbox sell more than PS" rather than "can Xbox sell well on its own." The former is pretty much a futile effort, hence why last generation was so special. People never wanted an Xbox, but back then PS sucked so hard that many people defiantly settled for green. And if we stay with this line of thought, Microsoft's biggest problem is that they want to be like Sony and have that one single brand that stands for their video game business. But PlayStation was successful from the beginning and even its lowest point is still equal to Xbox's highest point. Xbox is not a successful brand, but Microsoft is probably too stubborn to abandon it. Which in turn pretty much guarantees that they won't beat Sony. |
What a dumb thing to say.
RolStoppable said:
It sold well below expectations two of three times. But maybe you also believe the Packers were a successful franchise in the 1980s. |
The original Xbox didn't have much in the way of expectations. It was a new product in an industry that was still relatively uncertain. The 360 was a huge hit. The X1 is outpacing that huge hit. So, again, your post was idiotic.
RolStoppable said:
The original Xbox was expected to break even or at least only suffer a small loss; it lost billions of dollars. The 360 is that one time I acknowledged the brand to be successful. The One has no chance to match the uptick the 360 experienced in its later years. It's below 30m LTD after three years and an additional holiday season on the market, and won't exceed 10m in any year of its life. The 360, on the other hand, had 10m+ years after its third year a few times. The Xbox One will fall soon behind, if it hasn't already, and the gap between it and the 360 in a launch-aligned comparison will begin to grow rapidly. |
The problem with this is we aren't aware of how much the X1, itself, sold anymore. I find it exceptionally hard to believe it's below 30 million after it's recent hot streak, and the S being a huge success. The Xbox division itself has been making a profit since 2008. If you want to look purely at a monetary standpoint, the original Xbox was a flop and the other 2 are great successes.
Winning the NPD 4 months in a row and selling out routinely in major retailers is a hot streak. Not sure what your vendetta is against the Xbox, since as far as I know Nintendo "guys" are neutral toward Xbox "guys", but to say the X1 is a flop is ridiculously inaccurate and completely idiotic.
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