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Soundwave said:
KrspaceT said:

DC is doing so with characters from the 30's and 50's, and I think you missed the fact that in trailer prominence it went something like this

 

Zelda > Splatoon > Mario

 

Yes, I remember Splatoon on the N.E.S. It was better then, though I was fond of the Gamecube version that came out to mixed reception at the time

Splatoon is the only one really doing something new. If Nintendo can create 2-3 more Splatoons sure, they might have something, but as of right now I'd say no. 

A year ago if told this board that the NX was a tablet form factor device that doubles as a home console, using what looks like a downclocked Tegra X1 chip (the same thing in the Nvidia Shield microconsole) with swappable controller sides, this forum, especially the Nintendo fans would've melted down in dissapointment. No seperate home console. No AMD Polaris. No new wonder controller gimmick. 

I said this months ago too, all Nintendo would have to do is show a trailer with like 10 seconds of new Mario and Nintendo fans would come running back, but the concept itself is kinda dry. It basically is a repackaged version of the Wii U concept in many ways, the next step of the Wii U design was to make the tablet itself fully portable rather than half portable. 

Yes, because so many studios are constantly making new gaming I.P's. 



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The difference is that Nintendo's problems aren't really on the software side.  Their games have been well received, and have sold well relative to their install base.  The problem is on the hardware and marketing side.



JWeinCom said:

The difference is that Nintendo's problems aren't really on the software side.  Their games have been well received, and have sold well relative to their install base.  The problem is on the hardware and marketing side.

Marketing might be fixed, the hype seems up and Jimmy Fallon is a good step. 

Hardware we'll have to see, though power is not the only aspect. 



The Democratic Nintendo fan....is that a paradox? I'm fond of one of the more conservative companies in the industry, but I vote Liberally and view myself that way 90% of the time?

KrspaceT said:
JWeinCom said:

The difference is that Nintendo's problems aren't really on the software side.  Their games have been well received, and have sold well relative to their install base.  The problem is on the hardware and marketing side.

Marketing might be fixed, the hype seems up and Jimmy Fallon is a good step. 

Hardware we'll have to see, though power is not the only aspect. 

The Wii U was on Jimmy Fallon. Every game hardware is on Jimmy Fallon. 



Soundwave said:

Disney's "rebirth" was on the back of completely new properties that were evolved to 90s sensibilities ... The Little Mermaid, Beauty & The Beast, The Lion King, Aladdin, etc. not Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck and Snow White.

Nintendo is still relying mostly the same group of 30+ year old franchises from the looks of things.

Disney's rennaisance didn't really have much to do with using new IPs.  They'd been doing that since pretty much day one, in terms of feature films.  They didn't start doing sequels till after the Little Mermaid, when they created a direct to DVD division to capitalize on their recent success.  The last movies featuring Mickey or Donald were from the 50's or so.

Their rebirth was actually a result of deliberately looking to their past.  Little Mermaid was a project that started development right after Snow White.  It was a throwback to the princess musicals that made them successful in the first place.  



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JWeinCom said:
Soundwave said:

Disney's "rebirth" was on the back of completely new properties that were evolved to 90s sensibilities ... The Little Mermaid, Beauty & The Beast, The Lion King, Aladdin, etc. not Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck and Snow White.

Nintendo is still relying mostly the same group of 30+ year old franchises from the looks of things.

Disney's rennaisance didn't really have much to do with using new IPs.  They'd been doing that since pretty much day one, in terms of feature films.  They didn't start doing sequels till after the Little Mermaid, when they created a direct to DVD division to capitalize on their recent success.  The last movies featuring Mickey or Donald were from the 50's or so.

Their rebirth was actually a result of deliberately looking to their past.  Little Mermaid was a project that started development right after Snow White.  It was a throwback to the princess musicals that made them successful in the first place.  

I don't really see it that way, those films were successful because they were more contemporary and had more 90s-styled humor ... like imagine Robin Williams in Snow White? Yeah I don't think so. 

Those movies were more modernized for modern audiences, I remember this because I was basically the target audience, in the 80s, Disney had become "uncool". Little Mermaid began to change that especially with the Sebastian character, and Aladdin really did it with the Genie character. 



KrspaceT said:
JWeinCom said:

The difference is that Nintendo's problems aren't really on the software side.  Their games have been well received, and have sold well relative to their install base.  The problem is on the hardware and marketing side.

Marketing might be fixed, the hype seems up and Jimmy Fallon is a good step. 

Hardware we'll have to see, though power is not the only aspect. 

The Jimmy Fallon thing isn't really new.  The marketing is definitely different than it was for the Wii U, deliberately showing older gamers in a way that is clearly influenced by apple and such.

As for the hardware, I didn't necessarily mean power.  Unlike the Wii U, they have a very clear selling point for the switch, so that's a step in the right direction.  I'm still not sure if that selling point is really appealing though.  

Mobile games have clearly shown there is a big market for that portable gaming experience, yet while people will happily pass the time with Candy Crush on the go, or will play something like Call of Duty or Mario Kart at home, there is still a stigma around playing more traditional video games in public.  If Nintendo can crack that, and make gaming on the go a cool (or at least not un-cool) thing, then they could have a hit.  They basically have to do what Sony couldn't with the Vita.



JWeinCom said:
KrspaceT said:

Marketing might be fixed, the hype seems up and Jimmy Fallon is a good step. 

Hardware we'll have to see, though power is not the only aspect. 

The Jimmy Fallon thing isn't really new.  The marketing is definitely different than it was for the Wii U, deliberately showing older gamers in a way that is clearly influenced by apple and such.

As for the hardware, I didn't necessarily mean power.  Unlike the Wii U, they have a very clear selling point for the switch, so that's a step in the right direction.  I'm still not sure if that selling point is really appealing though.  

Mobile games have clearly shown there is a big market for that portable gaming experience, yet while people will happily pass the time with Candy Crush on the go, or will play something like Call of Duty or Mario Kart at home, there is still a stigma around playing more traditional video games in public.  If Nintendo can crack that, and make gaming on the go a cool (or at least not un-cool) thing, then they could have a hit.  They basically have to do what Sony couldn't with the Vita.

I'm in college, let me tell you just how many 3DS's you can spot. 

Anyway the Vita ran into the opposite troubles of the Wii U: It had third party but no first party. Nintendo pushing it's games on the Switch solves several of he Vita's problems, and I doubt it uses memory sticks.



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KrspaceT said:
JWeinCom said:

The Jimmy Fallon thing isn't really new.  The marketing is definitely different than it was for the Wii U, deliberately showing older gamers in a way that is clearly influenced by apple and such.

As for the hardware, I didn't necessarily mean power.  Unlike the Wii U, they have a very clear selling point for the switch, so that's a step in the right direction.  I'm still not sure if that selling point is really appealing though.  

Mobile games have clearly shown there is a big market for that portable gaming experience, yet while people will happily pass the time with Candy Crush on the go, or will play something like Call of Duty or Mario Kart at home, there is still a stigma around playing more traditional video games in public.  If Nintendo can crack that, and make gaming on the go a cool (or at least not un-cool) thing, then they could have a hit.  They basically have to do what Sony couldn't with the Vita.

I'm in college, let me tell you just how many 3DS's you can spot. 

Anyway the Vita ran into the opposite troubles of the Wii U: It had third party but no first party. Nintendo pushing it's games on the Switch solves several of he Vita's problems, and I doubt it uses memory sticks.

Vita had no audience, that was its problem, lol. 

Sony's audience tends to skew older and older people are not going to carry around a gaming portable unless the appeal is astronomical. 

Smartphones completely killed the PSP audience and in Japan, Nintendo taking Monster Hunter away (basically the smartest thing Nintendo has done the last 8 years) killed the Vita there. 



Soundwave said:
JWeinCom said:

Disney's rennaisance didn't really have much to do with using new IPs.  They'd been doing that since pretty much day one, in terms of feature films.  They didn't start doing sequels till after the Little Mermaid, when they created a direct to DVD division to capitalize on their recent success.  The last movies featuring Mickey or Donald were from the 50's or so.

Their rebirth was actually a result of deliberately looking to their past.  Little Mermaid was a project that started development right after Snow White.  It was a throwback to the princess musicals that made them successful in the first place.  

I don't really see it that way, those films were successful because they were more contemporary and had more 90s-styled humor ... like imagine Robin Williams in Snow White? Yeah I don't think so. 

Those movies were more modernized for modern audiences, I remember this because I was basically the target audience, in the 80s, Disney had become "uncool". Little Mermaid began to change that especially with the Sebastian character, and Aladdin really did it with the Genie character. 

Of course a character from the 90's isn't going to fit in literally the first animated feature movie ever made.  But it isn't like Disney was still making films like that in the late 70's and early to mid 80's.

Disney's movies in the 70s and 80s were things like the Fox and the Hound, Black Cauldron, who framed Roger Rabbit (in which the genie would fit perfectly fine), the Great Mouse Detective, and Oliver Twist.  In general, they were straying away from princess stories and fairy tales in general.  They were also straying away from musicals.  With the exception of Oliver Twist (which took place in 1980's New York in a deliberate effort at modernization), music was deemphasized.  Black Cauldron featured no songs, Roger Rabbit and Fox and the Hound rather few, and in general their characters didn't sing themselves, leaving the singing to offscreen narrators.

The Little Mermaid and the films released around that time went back to fairy tale settings, put a greater emphasis on female leads especially princesses, love stories,  and were full on musicals again.  Of course you can point to some elements that had changed since the 40s and 50s, but is The Little Mermaid more similar to Snow White, Cinerella, Pinnochio and Sleeping Beauty, or more similar to Winnie the Pooh, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Oliver Twist, Black Cauldron, and the Fox and the Hound?