I thought this game was just smoke and mirrors. Need to see it in playable form to believe it.
Looks charming though.
Now everyone can play it! | |||
| cool! | 66 | 79.52% | |
| not cool! | 17 | 20.48% | |
| Total: | 83 | ||
I thought this game was just smoke and mirrors. Need to see it in playable form to believe it.
Looks charming though.
Doesn't appear to be my kind of game (never enjoyed Ico or Tale of Two Brothers or those types of games either) but I have to say; I'm digging the visual style of it! Probably has fantastic music as well.
SvennoJ said:
It's all speculation at this point and I really hope it turns out allright. Yet it's hard not to see several red flags. There hasn't been much gameplay shown, no hands on, just a few trailers of mainly the same content. |
There's a difference between doubting that a game will be good and blindly believe a random anonymous guy that class that the developers have done nothing for years, that they prepared a fake trailer and lied about it and that they just scammed Sony and the public for three years. Especially when there's no proofs
| Entropio said: There's a difference between doubting that a game will be good and blindly believe a random anonymous guy that class that the developers have done nothing for years, that they prepared a fake trailer and lied about it and that they just scammed Sony and the public for three years. Especially when there's no proofs |
That's not what he said:
First of all, I was told that the reveal trailer was all cinematic. It was faked to mimic gameplay, assets, etc. from a real game but 0% of the game was implemented. In 2013 probably true. If that trailer presented actual gameplay it should have launched long ago.
So the real challenge for the studio was to put that vision into the final game. And apparently this has been impossible to achieve.
Impossible perhaps not, a lot more work than they imagined, likely.
This words are a direct quote from my source about this news and the studio itself (it contains his personal opinion):
"Sony required about one month ago the DEV KITs to be returned and canceled the fundings into Tequila Works, due of the game had no-sense. Basically there wasn't a game.
I don't think they scammed Sony for three years. Just didn't know what they were getting into.
TLG turned out great despite not showing much gameplay forever. However that never changed publishers or lost support, actually got assigned more teams to help out. Switching publishers is the red flag I'm a bit worried about. That's usually where games that end up in development hell turn out to be disappointing.
SvennoJ said:
That's not what he said: |
I was a big hyperbolic, but that's the impression that, in my opinion, people got from that rumour. Anyway, the rumour states that in 2013 the game didn't exist (something that the studio denied iirc, so if true they would have lied), and that in 2016 "basically there wasn't a game".
We've seen gameplay trailers of games that released many years later so I don't know why this case should be different. Maybe the developers hadn't design yet compelling game mechanics and they needed some years to design those, but it's a bit different than "the trailer is fake"
About the lack of game, I think that it's pretty much clear that when Sony dropped the game there were a game (maybe a bad one, we'll see), since it's releasing this May.
I understand that changing developers is a clear red flag, but what pisses me is the credibility that that rumour gets, still with no proofs. The rumour, again iirc, also talked about problems invited the studio and the company CEO being a notary (I can't see the problem here, but some people seems outraged, again the evidence presented was very weak - there's a notary in Vitoria whose name coincides with the CEO's one. Ok) Edit: I've made a little research and this is true, again I can't see the problem.
I have no interest in the game, and I understand the lost of hype, but this kind of rumour are very bad for the industry.
I found the complete rumour (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=198478087#post198478087).
All this info comes from a source very close to the studio.
First of all, I was told that the reveal trailer was all cinematic. It was faked to mimic gameplay, assets, etc. from a real game but 0% of the game was implemented. There's no proof. The real game (considering the last trailer has it, shows a very similar style, so I still find difficult to believe that all was faked)
So the real challenge for the studio was to put that vision into the final game. And apparently this has been impossible to achieve.
This words are a direct quote from my source about this news and the studio itself (it contains his personal opinion):
"Sony required about one month ago the DEV KITs to be returned and canceled the fundings into Tequila Works, due of the game had no-sense. Basically there wasn't a game. If Sony required the DEV KITs I find hard to believe that they've managed to develop the game for PS4.
This is a consecuence of the bad studio direction, basically Raul Rubio thinks that he is the next Tim Schafer. The truth is that Raul was fired from MercurySteam. The people from MercurySteam speak really bad about him (the main critics are: he has no idea about games, technology and he has crazy ideas without sense). Of course there's no evidence of this. I know it could be true, but I beleive we should be careful believing without evidences.If you add that his wife is the chairman of Tequila Works and looking for info about her you can find this:
http://www.notariado.org/liferay/web...N=AC&FLAG=MAIL
I don't find any problem in the CEO being a notary, she would probably is more prepared to the position than a game developer, with Law and probably Business studies.
You could see that she is public notary in Spain. She hasn't any background making games. The results are, that Rime has no publisher and it is not cancelled due of they got public spanish founds to develop games:
it seems that they found a publisher quite soon, so her management hasn't been so bad after all. The public funds were allegedly destined to another game.
http://www.minetur.gob.es/PortalAyud...lConcesion.pdf
If you take a look into their website and you compare the hellworkers list with the original team from Deadlight , only a couple guys remains from the original team. If all the team has left the studio, you must think that something wrong there is into the top of the company."
I'm a bit sad to be honest since i was there in the first days of the studio (not working).
| Entropio said: I was a big hyperbolic, but that's the impression that, in my opinion, people got from that rumour. Anyway, the rumour states that in 2013 the game didn't exist (something that the studio denied iirc, so if true they would have lied), and that in 2016 "basically there wasn't a game". We've seen gameplay trailers of games that released many years later so I don't know why this case should be different. Maybe the developers hadn't design yet compelling game mechanics and they needed some years to design those, but it's a bit different than "the trailer is fake" About the lack of game, I think that it's pretty much clear that when Sony dropped the game there were a game (maybe a bad one, we'll see), since it's releasing this May. I understand that changing developers is a clear red flag, but what pisses me is the credibility that that rumour gets, still with no proofs. The rumour, again iirc, also talked about problems invited the studio and the company CEO being a notary (I can't see the problem here, but some people seems outraged, again the evidence presented was very weak - there's a notary in Vitoria whose name coincides with the CEO's one. Ok) Edit: I've made a little research and this is true, again I can't see the problem. I have no interest in the game, and I understand the lost of hype, but this kind of rumour are very bad for the industry. |
I agree, these rumors do hurt the industry. Yet game development is a very secretive business for some reason giving room for these rumors to grow. However NMS and Peter Molyneux showed being open can be a lot worse :/ It's no Spintires mess at least.
Waiting for reviews and user impressions. It looks good, but can't trust with the track record of the studio and dev history this game had.

