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KrspaceT on 30 December 2016

I feel that both sides have lost some respect for solid facts, but I feel it's worse on the Right. Then again, perhaps we didn't have to make up anything on Trump while the others have to go and make up sex rings in pizza parlors.



The Democratic Nintendo fan....is that a paradox? I'm fond of one of the more conservative companies in the industry, but I vote Liberally and view myself that way 90% of the time?

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Nymeria on 30 December 2016

Reading through this thread a challenge I see is people cannot agree on definitions meaning reality schisms when such a word is used.

"I think more socialism in our society is a good thing."

Socialism clearly has very different meaning to members here so even though the sentence is the same, the interpretation is dramatically different. It could translate to...

"I think the state should provide more social programs such as healthcare and education to the people."
or
"I think the state should restrict personal freedoms and place crippling taxes for their own gain."

When there is no arbiter to dictate what we're discussing, it is not a surprise that personal interpretations lead to different conclusions. Once the metaphorical well has been poisoned people will go into own realities and accept that which more readily conforms to their views. A recent example is the fact that millions of Americans surveyed think that Hillary Clinton ran a child sex slave ring out of a pizzeria demonstrates what people can accept once distortion occurs. (Note: I am aware this is not a one sided argument, it was just a recent example that was striking to me.)



Final-Fan on 30 December 2016
Nymeria said:
Reading through this thread a challenge I see is people cannot agree on definitions meaning reality schisms when such a word is used.

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Your entire post was very well put.  I've found it useful to go straight back to defining terms when there appears to be an intractable difference in positions.  Many times the cause is just people talking past each other.  There was one guy who was mad about the trade deficit because he thought the USA was literally handing Mexico a pile of money. 



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DonFerrari on 04 January 2017
Nymeria said:
Reading through this thread a challenge I see is people cannot agree on definitions meaning reality schisms when such a word is used.

"I think more socialism in our society is a good thing."

Socialism clearly has very different meaning to members here so even though the sentence is the same, the interpretation is dramatically different. It could translate to...

"I think the state should provide more social programs such as healthcare and education to the people."
or
"I think the state should restrict personal freedoms and place crippling taxes for their own gain."

When there is no arbiter to dictate what we're discussing, it is not a surprise that personal interpretations lead to different conclusions. Once the metaphorical well has been poisoned people will go into own realities and accept that which more readily conforms to their views. A recent example is the fact that millions of Americans surveyed think that Hillary Clinton ran a child sex slave ring out of a pizzeria demonstrates what people can accept once distortion occurs. (Note: I am aware this is not a one sided argument, it was just a recent example that was striking to me.)

The problem in differentiating both "socialisms" (socialism is actually the government dominating the means of production, but ok let's be inclusive in this) is that usually the "let's give more healthcare and education 'for free'" needs the crippling taxes.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

thepurplewalrus on 04 January 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
RolStoppable said:

Take a sports team that suffered a brutal loss. When the coach or players get interviewed and asked the simple question "Why did you lose today?", the ensuing answer is commonly as blunt as "We seriously sucked butt and we did not deserve any better for this poor showing."

Which sports have you been watching because that`s far from the case in football at least. It`s always `the ref cost us the game` `the ball was too round` `the grass was too long` and various other stupid excuses

"the ref cost us the game"

*Cough*Jim Harbaugh*cough*