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Intrinsic said:
kitler53 said:

rise of tomb raider was part of of psn's holiday sale week 2.  IT WAS BEING SOLD FOR $29.99.

 

sometimes i go to target and things are on sale at target for less than what they are on amazon.  sometimes i go to amazon and things are on sale at amazon for less than what they are at target.

 

basically you want sony/ms to do the work for you so you don't have to make the effort to shop around before buying.  i think you sound whiny and entitled,.. no business owes you that.  retails stores have never done that.  even those with price match guarantees forces to consumer to prove the competitors price in writing.  it has always been on the customer to shop around for deals or find coupons.  there is no reason for digital stores to be different than brick and mortor.

 

shop around for deals and if you don't find them tough cookies.

Sigh.... I don't want anyone to do any work for me. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.

It is perfectly ok for prices on the PS store to be whatever they are. O r for them to have deals at one time or the other. Its even ok for prices on amazon or somewhere else to be less tahn what they are on the PS store.

What I am having an issue with, is how AMAZON can apparently sell you a PS STORE (digital) game at half the price of what the same game is currently retailing for (digitally) in the PS store. Let me be specific. PS store only sells digital content. But now, amazon is selling you digital content from the PS store at less than what it would have cost you to buy it from the PS store directly. That makes zero sense to me.

I know PS store has deals, and I know amazon and gamestop...etc have deals too all the time. But this is like going to gamestop to buy a game for $30 FROM amazon when the exact same game is being sold at amazon for no less than $60. Not some random promotional unrelated store like starbucks or mcdonald where they could give you a coupon code that gives you something in another store. But a direct competitor.

If i walkedinto starbucks and they give me an uncharted coupon for $30 to get uncharted from PS store/ amazon or whatever? thats perfectly understandable. But getting a $30 code from amazon to be redeemed on the PS store and to get a $60 game makes zero sense to me.

Regarding your bolded it is really simple:

PS wants more money for their games than Amazon does for PS's games.  That's it.  It is a profit based decision each company makes individually.

Also, consider this: Amazon doesn't just get those codes for free.  They tell Sony "we want X codes" X being the variable we don't know.  Sony says "Ok, we will only charge you 30 bucks a code because you are buying X.  But, if you buy Y instead, we will charge you 20 bucks a code."  Amazon turns around and says "OK we will buy Y instead."  Sony then sends codes, and Amazon makes 5 bucks a game by selling for 25.  Both companies make money.  Everyone is happy.  Except you, because apparently you want Sony to discount you for 1 code the way they discount Amazon for a lot more.



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Intrinsic said:
kitler53 said:

rise of tomb raider was part of of psn's holiday sale week 2.  IT WAS BEING SOLD FOR $29.99.

 

sometimes i go to target and things are on sale at target for less than what they are on amazon.  sometimes i go to amazon and things are on sale at amazon for less than what they are at target.

 

basically you want sony/ms to do the work for you so you don't have to make the effort to shop around before buying.  i think you sound whiny and entitled,.. no business owes you that.  retails stores have never done that.  even those with price match guarantees forces to consumer to prove the competitors price in writing.  it has always been on the customer to shop around for deals or find coupons.  there is no reason for digital stores to be different than brick and mortor.

 

shop around for deals and if you don't find them tough cookies.

Sigh.... I don't want anyone to do any work for me. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.

It is perfectly ok for prices on the PS store to be whatever they are. O r for them to have deals at one time or the other. Its even ok for prices on amazon or somewhere else to be less tahn what they are on the PS store.

What I am having an issue with, is how AMAZON can apparently sell you a PS STORE (digital) game at half the price of what the same game is currently retailing for (digitally) in the PS store. Let me be specific. PS store only sells digital content. But now, amazon is selling you digital content from the PS store at less than what it would have cost you to buy it from the PS store directly. That makes zero sense to me.

I know PS store has deals, and I know amazon and gamestop...etc have deals too all the time. But this is like going to gamestop to buy a game for $30 FROM amazon when the exact same game is being sold at amazon for no less than $60. Not some random promotional unrelated store like starbucks or mcdonald where they could give you a coupon code that gives you something in another store. But a direct competitor.

If i walkedinto starbucks and they give me an uncharted coupon for $30 to get uncharted from PS store/ amazon or whatever? thats perfectly understandable. But getting a $30 code from amazon to be redeemed on the PS store and to get a $60 game makes zero sense to me.

and 1 week ago you could buy rise of tomb raider on psn for $30 but amazon was selling you the exact same digital download (code) for $60.   where is your rant against amazon for not having a direct link to the psn store to see how much the digital download is there??????

 

i can buy oreos from marianos this week on sale for $2.50 but sunset foods is selling the exact same cookie for $4.00.  i am not and cannot be outraged by this so why should i be outraged about digital content.  what is soo fucking different about digital content that means it needs to be sold differently than anything else i buy.  

either pay what the seller is asking for a price or don't buy it.  shop around if you want to find the deals.  that's just life.  

 

people have been making a selling things on ebay that are just people buying it on amazon for a lower price and then having amazon send it directly to ebay bidder.  that senario is a hell of a lot more like this whole digital content then you are complaining about.   the way i see it is more tough cookies to people buying on ebay things they could get cheaper elsewhere.



Neodegenerate said:

Regarding your bolded it is really simple:

PS wants more money for their games than Amazon does for PS's games.  That's it.  It is a profit based decision each company makes individually.

Also, consider this: Amazon doesn't just get those codes for free.  They tell Sony "we want X codes" X being the variable we don't know.  Sony says "Ok, we will only charge you 30 bucks a code because you are buying X.  But, if you buy Y instead, we will charge you 20 bucks a code."  Amazon turns around and says "OK we will buy Y instead."  Sony then sends codes, and Amazon makes 5 bucks a game by selling for 25.  Both companies make money.  Everyone is happy.  Except you, because apparently you want Sony to discount you for 1 code the way they discount Amazon for a lot more.

Lol.... No.

I don't want sony to discount me for one code, I want them to discount every single person on the planet that buys their game digitally. Cause I don't know.... but I am sure that number will be significantly higher than any number of codes amazon can sell..... ESPECIALLY when you consider that all these people, or codes still sends them right back to the PS store.

Now if sony is willing to sell 1000 codes to amazon at $25, so amazon can sell them for $30, and then the buyer still comes back to the PS store to redeem his code and download the game from the PS store..... why doesn't sony just discount the game to $30 on their store so everyone that wants it at that price can get it? Why still list the game for $60 then sell it for less to another store only to have the customers of that store still be redirected back to the PS store.

You say its a business decision, who do you think this decision hurts? Doesn't sony need to build the brand of their own store? Do you have any idea how stupid it sounds to have a rap like this? "shit is expensive on the PS store, if you want to get the best digital deals for games even from the PS store then you should go to amazon instead to get your digital codes."



Intrinsic said:
Neodegenerate said:

Regarding your bolded it is really simple:

PS wants more money for their games than Amazon does for PS's games.  That's it.  It is a profit based decision each company makes individually.

Also, consider this: Amazon doesn't just get those codes for free.  They tell Sony "we want X codes" X being the variable we don't know.  Sony says "Ok, we will only charge you 30 bucks a code because you are buying X.  But, if you buy Y instead, we will charge you 20 bucks a code."  Amazon turns around and says "OK we will buy Y instead."  Sony then sends codes, and Amazon makes 5 bucks a game by selling for 25.  Both companies make money.  Everyone is happy.  Except you, because apparently you want Sony to discount you for 1 code the way they discount Amazon for a lot more.

Lol.... No.

I don't want sony to discount me for one code, I want them to discount every single person on the planet that buys their game digitally. Cause I don't know.... but I am sure that number will be significantly higher than any number of codes amazon can sell..... ESPECIALLY when you consider that all these people, or codes still sends them right back to the PS store.

Now if sony is willing to sell 1000 codes to amazon at $25, so amazon can sell them for $30, and then the buyer still comes back to the PS store to redeem his code and download the game from the PS store..... why doesn't sony just discount the game to $30 on their store so everyone that wants it at that price can get it? Why still list the game for $60 then sell it for less to another store only to have the customers of that store still be redirected back to the PS store.

You say its a business decision, who do you think this decision hurts? Doesn't sony need to build the brand of their own store? Do you have any idea how stupid it sounds to have a rap like this? "shit is expensive on the PS store, if you want to get the best digital deals for games even from the PS store then you should go to amazon instead to get your digital codes."

let's start by reminding you that "sony" isn't selling shit.  sony is a distributer here.

Square enix owns that game and they are setting the price.  sony doesn't get to just put any game they want on discount and tell the game developer "fuck off i saw a sale on amazon and decided you are going to have to price match that".  SE and every other publisher has to agree to the pricing.

which is exactly why neodegenerate is right and you are wrong.  i deal was struck with amazon and they purchased codes i bulk.  now that amazon owns those codes they can do whatever they want with those codes: they probably intend to sell them at a profit but when are a reseller like amazon sometimes it means selling things at a loss.  

psn isn't making that deal.  they sell 1 code at a time and the publisher is picking the price.  sony as a distributer takes their 10% (or whatever) cut regardless of the price the publisher sets.



kitler53 said:

and 1 week ago you could buy rise of tomb raider on psn for $30 but amazon was selling you the exact same digital download (code) for $60.   where is your rant against amazon for not having a direct link to the psn store to see how much the digital download is there??????

Are you just being difficult? PS store doing a discount for a game on their store is their prerogative. As is whatever amazon chooses to sell their games. But amazon, selling a digital game, that you literally can ONLY GET FROM ONE PLACE for less than what the game costs at said place makes no sense.

i can buy oreos from marianos this week on sale for $2.50 but sunset foods is selling the exact same cookie for $4.00.  i am not and cannot be outraged by this so why should i be outraged about digital content.  what is soo fucking different about digital content that means it needs to be sold differently than anything else i buy.  

either pay what the seller is asking for a price or don't buy it.  shop around if you want to find the deals.  that's just life.  

And all this just tells me that you are still refusing to understand my point. And i think its so obvious that you have to be doing this on purpose.

Lets try it this way. Can you tell me two places you go to to download games digitally for the PS4? Didn't think so. Even that code you get from amazon, its redeemed and used on the PS store. This isn't like buying a coke from best buy today at $1 while its sold for $2 at target. This is like going to target to pay $1 for a coke that you can ONLY ACTUALLY get from best buy. While best buy, the sole distributor of the coke is selling said coke for $2.

people have been making a selling things on ebay that are just people buying it on amazon for a lower price and then having amazon send it directly to ebay bidder.  that senario is a hell of a lot more like this whole digital content then you are complaining about.   the way i see it is more tough cookies to people buying on ebay things they could get cheaper elsewhere.

If you still don't get exactly what I am saying, then I give up.



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kitler53 said:

let's start by reminding you that "sony" isn't selling shit.  sony is a distributer here.

Square enix owns that game and they are setting the price.  sony doesn't get to just put any game they want on discount and tell the game developer "fuck off i saw a sale on amazon and decided you are going to have to price match that".  SE and every other publisher has to agree to the pricing.

which is exactly why neodegenerate is right and you are wrong.  i deal was struck with amazon and they purchased codes i bulk.  now that amazon owns those codes they can do whatever they want with those codes: they probably intend to sell them at a profit but when are a reseller like amazon sometimes it means selling things at a loss.  

psn isn't making that deal.  they sell 1 code at a time and the publisher is picking the price.  sony as a distributer takes their 10% (or whatever) cut regardless of the price the publisher sets.

Dude, calm the fuck down..... ur aggressive tone is completely unnecessary.

And sony is selling something. 

You know what, never mind.



Intrinsic said:
kitler53 said:

let's start by reminding you that "sony" isn't selling shit.  sony is a distributer here.

Square enix owns that game and they are setting the price.  sony doesn't get to just put any game they want on discount and tell the game developer "fuck off i saw a sale on amazon and decided you are going to have to price match that".  SE and every other publisher has to agree to the pricing.

which is exactly why neodegenerate is right and you are wrong.  i deal was struck with amazon and they purchased codes i bulk.  now that amazon owns those codes they can do whatever they want with those codes: they probably intend to sell them at a profit but when are a reseller like amazon sometimes it means selling things at a loss.  

psn isn't making that deal.  they sell 1 code at a time and the publisher is picking the price.  sony as a distributer takes their 10% (or whatever) cut regardless of the price the publisher sets.

Dude, calm the fuck down..... ur aggressive tone is completely unnecessary.

And sony is selling something. 

You know what, never mind.

His aggression and your defensive posture are both coming from one thing, your inability to understand why two companies don't operate the same way simply because you want it to benefit the consumer.  One company views profits and losses one way while another has a completely different take.  In the end it is up to us as the consumers to make informed decisions and vote where we buy, what we are willing to pay, and when we are willing to do so with our wallets.



Intrinsic said:

Ok, I just got linked to this article on my google now feed.

Apparently amazon is discounting a number of PS4/XB1 games; Digital Codes. Yes, they are discounting games and giving you a digital code to download said games. Which should be great right?

No.

Cause Rise f the Tomb Raider and Gears 4 on the PS4 and XB1 respectively  are discounted to $30. But bothgames are still currently $60 on the official platform online stores. 

WTF?

I have been somewhat ok paying more for digital content even though I felt the stupid argument of brick and mortar parity was well.... stupid, but seeing stores like amazon offer discounts to digital codes when on the PSstore the game is still full price is just ridiculous to me.

I think at the very least Sony and MS should start dping some sort of Price match thing where the discout digital content to a price that is an average of what they are out there physically. Or at the very least let amazon or gamestop....etc allow users choose if they want their game physically or digitally when they purchase them at with a fixed price premium for digital.

eg; if amazon has a physical game discounted to $24, at check out you can choose either to have the physical copy shipped to you or to get a digital code and then they can add $3-$5 extra. That extra $3-$5 also goes to sony/MS and wouldn't make too much of a difference to the gamer in the same way we already pay around that for shipping. 

Why isn't this happenning?

How people are still so uninformed is beyond me.

Sony nor Microsoft is responsible how 3rd parties price their games, it's not up to them. If Tomb Raider costs $60 on PSN that's SE's responsibility.

How difficult is it to process that important fact?



Turkish said:

How people are still so uninformed is beyond me.

Sony nor Microsoft is responsible how 3rd parties price their games, it's not up to them. If Tomb Raider costs $60 on PSN that's SE's responsibility.

How difficult is it to process that important fact?

Ok, so what you are saying is that SE is allowing amazon sell Tomb Raider at $30 digitally even though amazon is getting the game from the PS store who happens to be selling the game for $60?



Intrinsic said:
Turkish said:

How people are still so uninformed is beyond me.

Sony nor Microsoft is responsible how 3rd parties price their games, it's not up to them. If Tomb Raider costs $60 on PSN that's SE's responsibility.

How difficult is it to process that important fact?

Ok, so what you are saying is that SE is allowing amazon sell Tomb Raider at $30 digitally even though amazon is getting the game from the PS store who happens to be selling the game for $60?

Again, you are failing to see where one store gets to sell something at a discount from a distributor (in this case digital distributor Sony because they are the ONLY distributor for Playstations online store) because of that company's own decision to do so.

It's like being dumbfounded that Target is offering a sale on wool coats this week but Walmart has decided it can continue to sell them at full price because they are having a sale on Oreos instead.