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VGPolyglot said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

Well, that is the naive part. Let me tell you some things you and people like you don't understant.

I am an immigrant myself too. I have emigrated from Eastern Europe to Canada ten years ago. Before that I’ve had a few different jobs as a student in UK and USA. I have met and made friends with a lot of people from different cultures and different races. I can tell you one thing, most people that are born and raised in the Western societies, are the most opened minded people I have met, so you are very wrong to put the blame on us and say that   “we have to understand their feelings”.

Yes, but it's much easier for you to blend in, because your skin colour doesn't make you as immediately noticeable. I don't put the blame on Westerners in general or in whole, I mainly put blame on the American government as they funded the mujahideen of which Osama bin Laden would spawn out of, they are allied with and provide weaponry to Saudi Arabia, the state which has probably spread Islamism more than any other, they supported the Islamization of Pakistan to combat the Soviet Union, and also fund many militias that end up having extreme beliefs. They also scapegoat minorities in order to deflect from their own wrongdoings, and Muslims end up being one of the main targets.

I agree with him and I'm not in any way visibly white. Now what?



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Mr Puggsly said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yes, but that doesn't mean that societal circumstances shouldn't be taken into account. For example, there are many white supremacists who put down blacks as lazy and praise Asians as being hard-working, completely ignoring the circumstances, like how many blacks were slaves and even afterwards were treated poorly which obviously facilitated poverty, while there was a blanket ban on Asians from immigrating for a while, so the Asians that did come were already well off, which meant that they generally did not become poor. I'm saying this is the same. We don't look at the circumstances surrounding the situation thoroughly enough.

Oh, I think one of the biggest differences you aren't acknowledging is Asian parents tend to show interest in their children succeeding in school and life in general.

If more people regardless of ethnicity did the same, you'd get surprisingly great results regardless of their financial situation.

In a nutshell, shit kids tend to have shit parents.

This is a stereotype in itself, be it a positive one.

My Mom is a kindergarden teacher and the Asian parents she's had to deal with, for the most part weren't any better than any of the other neglectful ones, even though they were highly educated well off people. One pair of parents in particular would refuse to hug or cuddle their child or show any type of affection in general, drop it off at the Kindergarden as much as humanly possible and then complain about how 'out of control' it was. Treating their kid as an unwelcome nuisance and then being surprised at the kid being unhappy.

Keep in mind that they absolutely except nothing but the best results from the kid and are bent on getting it in an elite boarding school, without any regard as to what the kid wants or needs or is actually capabale of, naturally. The kid has to look like a success story, other than that they don't give a shit.

This is negligence. The kid might not be underfed or dirty but emotinally starving someone is just as damaging in the long run and while this case is somewhat extreme its a tendency in East-Asian familys, related to their culture.

Off topic, sorry, but that comment just reminded me of the kid.



Lawlight said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yes, but it's much easier for you to blend in, because your skin colour doesn't make you as immediately noticeable. I don't put the blame on Westerners in general or in whole, I mainly put blame on the American government as they funded the mujahideen of which Osama bin Laden would spawn out of, they are allied with and provide weaponry to Saudi Arabia, the state which has probably spread Islamism more than any other, they supported the Islamization of Pakistan to combat the Soviet Union, and also fund many militias that end up having extreme beliefs. They also scapegoat minorities in order to deflect from their own wrongdoings, and Muslims end up being one of the main targets.

I agree with him and I'm not in any way visibly white. Now what?

It reminds me of when Lil Wayne says that there's no racism because he's black and doesn't see racism.



setsunatenshi said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yes, but that doesn't mean that societal circumstances shouldn't be taken into account. For example, there are many white supremacists who put down blacks as lazy and praise Asians as being hard-working, completely ignoring the circumstances, like how many blacks were slaves and even afterwards were treated poorly which obviously facilitated poverty, while there was a blanket ban on Asians from immigrating for a while, so the Asians that did come were already well off, which meant that they generally did not become poor. I'm saying this is the same. We don't look at the circumstances surrounding the situation thoroughly enough.

What do people's racist views or lack thereof have anything to do with this specific problem? I don't usually see racist people going to other countries blowing shit up in the name of their racist views.

The United States does it all the time, bombing,, occupying and drone striking many countries in the name of "freedom".



Mr Puggsly said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yes, but that doesn't mean that societal circumstances shouldn't be taken into account. For example, there are many white supremacists who put down blacks as lazy and praise Asians as being hard-working, completely ignoring the circumstances, like how many blacks were slaves and even afterwards were treated poorly which obviously facilitated poverty, while there was a blanket ban on Asians from immigrating for a while, so the Asians that did come were already well off, which meant that they generally did not become poor. I'm saying this is the same. We don't look at the circumstances surrounding the situation thoroughly enough.

Oh, I think one of the biggest differences you aren't acknowledging is Asian parents tend to show interest in their children succeeding in school and life in general.

If more people regardless of ethnicity did the same, you'd get surprisingly great results regardless of their financial situation.

In a nutshell, shit kids tend to have shit parents.

And you don't think that there are Arabs that care about their children? Do you know any Muslims at all?



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VGPolyglot said:
setsunatenshi said:

What do people's racist views or lack thereof have anything to do with this specific problem? I don't usually see racist people going to other countries blowing shit up in the name of their racist views.

The United States does it all the time, bombing,, occupying and drone striking many countries in the name of "freedom".

I'm not defending the BS foreign policies enacted by the US government specifically in the middle east. I would even go further in that regard, having the US prop up that cancer called saudi arabia and having used jihadism during the Cold War in order to proxy fight the "godless" USSR.

In any case my point still stands, I don't see why you felt the need to bring people's supposed racist views on (insert random ethnicity) when there's a discussion about random terrorist attacks on civilians in countries that have fuck all to do with the US foreign policies. Unless you prove me wrong, none of those groups you mentioned before is going around planting bombs with the specific purpose of killing civilians in different countries than their own.

Most political terrorism is done against military/political targets in order to achieve a specific goal of the organization. That is why groups like the IRA, ETA, etc can at least be dealt with in a rational way. There's no amount of rationality to reach people who believe mythology and that their goal in this life is to spread said mythology by violent means across the world.



setsunatenshi said:
VGPolyglot said:

The United States does it all the time, bombing,, occupying and drone striking many countries in the name of "freedom".

I'm not defending the BS foreign policies enacted by the US government specifically in the middle east. I would even go further in that regard, having the US prop up that cancer called saudi arabia and having used jihadism during the Cold War in order to proxy fight the "godless" USSR.

In any case my point still stands, I don't see why you felt the need to bring people's supposed racist views on (insert random ethnicity) when there's a discussion about random terrorist attacks on civilians in countries that have fuck all to do with the US foreign policies. Unless you prove me wrong, none of those groups you mentioned before is going around planting bombs with the specific purpose of killing civilians in different countries than their own.

Most political terrorism is done against military/political targets in order to achieve a specific goal of the organization. That is why groups like the IRA, ETA, etc can at least be dealt with in a rational way. There's no amount of rationality to reach people who believe mythology and that their goal in this life is to spread said mythology by violent means across the world.

The reason why is because nowadays many people treat Muslims as af they were an ethnicity.



ratuscafoarterea said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yes, but that doesn't mean that societal circumstances shouldn't be taken into account. For example, there are many white supremacists who put down blacks as lazy and praise Asians as being hard-working, completely ignoring the circumstances, like how many blacks were slaves and even afterwards were treated poorly which obviously facilitated poverty, while there was a blanket ban on Asians from immigrating for a while, so the Asians that did come were already well off, which meant that they generally did not become poor. I'm saying this is the same. We don't look at the circumstances surrounding the situation thoroughly enough.

Your example with the Blacks and Asians has nothing to do with the subject on the topic. Not only that these things were relevant a long time ago, but they have nothing to do with Muslims and how Muslims are perceived. Also, you tell me that it was easier for me to blend in. I didn’t even told you my race and you’ve already concluded what race I‘m. Also, I’ve did told you that I’ve met a lot of Westerners, Westerners are not only one race, I don’t know how you’ve came to the conclusion that I’ve blend in more easy because everyone was of the same race as I’m ????? I agree with your opinion, yes it’s the American politics that drag us in to this mess, but you’re missing one big aspect, it’s the American politicians playing and doing what the Saudis are asking them to do.  Iraq, Libya, Syria, they all went to shit because Saudis had their business interests in the region.  

 

It's still British and American politics and here is why:

 

When they broke up the Ottoman Empire, they hand picked the Saud family and gave them complete power. The Sauds are a violent tribe following non Islamic methods and had a very twisted understanding of Islam (teachings of a non scholar called Ibn Tamiyya). 

 

Over the century this political and financial move has grown to the point where it is now and it's come back to bite the world in the ass. 

 

You think Muslims are happy with this? More Muslims have been killed by these extremists and terrorists than non Muslims. Secondly, every idiot miseducated by the media, far right groups and hate groups has gone on to bully Muslims in every corner of the world, whether it's in public or a forum like this right here. 

 

Like VGPologot said, many of these issues come from a lack of understanding and communication. Far right groups, politicians, journalists etc put these extremists who are not Muslim in the Anne category as Muslims. They actually give power and credibility to these groups. Rather than give credibility to the 1.6billion Muslims, they choose the version of extremists. 

 

Now you have kids who might actually listen to these idiots because people have said they are in fact Muslim and it is what Islam is. They get bullied by noon Muslims, the good work they do is never seen publicly but there is a hunt for bad things they do that are magnified. Even in this forum, for all the negative articles, how many positive articles have been shared about Muslims? Many people who turn to extreme groups have had enough of being ignored, been pushed around, harassed etc. Many of them have gone through this since 9/11. That's 15 years of bullying. Individuals from Iraq and Afghanistan have seen shit that thankfully non of us will ever have to see. 

 

If we can go on an offensive over something said or someone's opinion, imagine these kids who have seen people mutilated, killed, raped and everything been taken away from them. 



setsunatenshi said:
VGPolyglot said:

The United States does it all the time, bombing,, occupying and drone striking many countries in the name of "freedom".

I'm not defending the BS foreign policies enacted by the US government specifically in the middle east. I would even go further in that regard, having the US prop up that cancer called saudi arabia and having used jihadism during the Cold War in order to proxy fight the "godless" USSR.

In any case my point still stands, I don't see why you felt the need to bring people's supposed racist views on (insert random ethnicity) when there's a discussion about random terrorist attacks on civilians in countries that have fuck all to do with the US foreign policies. Unless you prove me wrong, none of those groups you mentioned before is going around planting bombs with the specific purpose of killing civilians in different countries than their own.

Most political terrorism is done against military/political targets in order to achieve a specific goal of the organization. That is why groups like the IRA, ETA, etc can at least be dealt with in a rational way. There's no amount of rationality to reach people who believe mythology and that their goal in this life is to spread said mythology by violent means across the world.

You are an atheist right i've never talked or met an atheist.

Can i ask you if you are an atheist what made you become an atheist (if this is the right way to ask)

oh and why don't you believe in god or i don't know something else i've always wondered that.



Hapuc12 said:
setsunatenshi said:

I'm not defending the BS foreign policies enacted by the US government specifically in the middle east. I would even go further in that regard, having the US prop up that cancer called saudi arabia and having used jihadism during the Cold War in order to proxy fight the "godless" USSR.

In any case my point still stands, I don't see why you felt the need to bring people's supposed racist views on (insert random ethnicity) when there's a discussion about random terrorist attacks on civilians in countries that have fuck all to do with the US foreign policies. Unless you prove me wrong, none of those groups you mentioned before is going around planting bombs with the specific purpose of killing civilians in different countries than their own.

Most political terrorism is done against military/political targets in order to achieve a specific goal of the organization. That is why groups like the IRA, ETA, etc can at least be dealt with in a rational way. There's no amount of rationality to reach people who believe mythology and that their goal in this life is to spread said mythology by violent means across the world.

You are an atheist right i've never talked or met an atheist.

Can i ask you if you are an atheist what made you become an atheist (if this is the right way to ask)

oh and why don't you believe in god or i don't know something else i've always wondered that.

yes I am, and I'm sure you've met plenty of atheists, you just might be living in the sort of place where someone being open about being an atheist could bring some terrible consequences, so they wouldn't be open to discuss it with you or anyone around.

what made me become an atheist? the lack of evidence for any sort of gods or supernatural existence. I would say it's the default position. everyone is born an atheist until they are talked into believing in something they have never seen.

why don't i believe in god? same answer, lack of evidence for any sort of gods existence.

 

hope it helped