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Darc Requiem on 09 December 2016
burninmylight said:
soulripper31 said:

Please point me to one post that asks for FF XV to be on the Wii U.

It's the strawman that everybody who doesn't agree with the OP runs back to. It's like their security blanket or something.

Look at Intrisic's latest reply to me. I said the PS2 Final Fantasy games would have worked on Gamecube just fine, and what does he do? Talk about how FF7 would have never worked on N64.

Ironically Angel Studios wanted to bring FFVII to N64 but Square Enix refused.  So they approached Capcom about an RE2 port. 



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johnsobas on 09 December 2016

swordmasterman says:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7680760

"My Predictions are 3+ Millions of Life Time Sales for Final Fantasy XV, on Japan"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7679870

"Final Fantasy, Doing Less than Splatoon, is a Gigantic Floop and the Dead of the Console Gaming on Japan."

"So put it in Mind, a Final Fantasy Flop in Japan, and is the End of the Japanese Console Market."



currently playing: Skyward Sword, Mario Sunshine, Xenoblade Chronicles X

tiffac on 09 December 2016

Do we have a breakdown of numbers for physical and digital?



Safiir on 09 December 2016

Unfortunately we don't have any information about digital except that it was at least decent.



tiffac on 09 December 2016
Safiir said:
Unfortunately we don't have any information about digital except that it was at least decent.

Well that sux. Thanks



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Soundwave on 09 December 2016

I think FF16 by the way will have a considerably lower budget and a different focus now. Might be better for the franchise anyway.

Right now what I would like to see is, what I would like to see is Japanese developers rally around Nintendo. If the Switch can handle ports of PS4/XB1 games, and it's starting to look like that is indeed the case, then there should be no excuse to not support it.

All I'm asking for is for them to drop the stupid "wait and see" attitude, no system would be successful with that attitude from developers except a Nintendo system only because of herculean efforts from Nintendo from time to time. But you can't expect that every time.

So I'd just like that one qualifier for support to be dropped. No more "wait and see" bullshit. Japanese developers should recoginize that a successful Switch platform is not only good for them but neccessary for them.

Not only that but supporting a system strongly early on can then build the software ecosystem for the types of games that Japanese developers like to make.

So FF7, Kingdom Heart 3, Soul Calibur VI, Marvel Vs. Capcom Infinite, Resident Evil 7 ... these games should be on Switch.

It is the rightful successor to the 3DS and as such the heir to the throne of the Japanese market, if the hardware power is there (even if it requires some grunt work), it should be treated as a central platform.

Besides, if you're a Japanese developers and you're too dumb to recognize a portable Nintendo system that has Pokemon, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Splatoon, Dragon Quest XI, and Monster Hunter XX on it probably is something you should take seriously, then really you shouldn't be in this business. This is not like some iffy/dicey proposition, this is much of a slam dunk sure thing as there's going to be in the Japanese market of today.

And granted it's possible Japanese developers are already on the right wave length anyway. DQXI and Dark Souls III already apparently en route bodes well.



merman on 09 December 2016

but... Switch has a tiny install base? as far as I'm aware only Jimmy Fallon has one..... does he like Final Fantasy?



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HoangNhatAnh on 09 December 2016

I have some news from neogaf, thank Hiska-kun:
Media Create Sell-through

01./00. [PS4] Final Fantasy XV # (Square Enix) {2016.11.29} (¥8.800) - 690.471 / NEW [Units shipped => 1.068.344]

Bundle Sales

00./00. [PS4] Final Fantasy XV (4)(PlayStation 4 1TB Final Fantasy XV Luna Edition) (Sony Interactive Entertainment) (¥39.980) - 63.000 / NEW

http://www.m-create.com/ranking/

_____

So, there're almost 400k still on shelves.
The worst thing is that first 3 days sell-through was reported to be ~60% (640k sales). That means that on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, FFXV only managed to sell extra 50k units. That's terrible, and second week drop might be huge.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1322885&page=11



Egelo on 09 December 2016
Soundwave said:
I think FF16 by the way will have a considerably lower budget and a different focus now. Might be better for the franchise anyway.

Right now what I would like to see is, what I would like to see is Japanese developers rally around Nintendo. If the Switch can handle ports of PS4/XB1 games, and it's starting to look like that is indeed the case, then there should be no excuse to not support it.

All I'm asking for is for them to drop the stupid "wait and see" attitude, no system would be successful with that attitude from developers except a Nintendo system only because of herculean efforts from Nintendo from time to time. But you can't expect that every time.

So I'd just like that one qualifier for support to be dropped. No more "wait and see" bullshit. Japanese developers should recoginize that a successful Switch platform is not only good for them but neccessary for them.

Not only that but supporting a system strongly early on can then build the software ecosystem for the types of games that Japanese developers like to make.

So FF7, Kingdom Heart 3, Soul Calibur VI, Marvel Vs. Capcom Infinite, Resident Evil 7 ... these games should be on Switch.

It is the rightful successor to the 3DS and as such the heir to the throne of the Japanese market, if the hardware power is there (even if it requires some grunt work), it should be treated as a central platform.

Besides, if you're a Japanese developers and you're too dumb to recognize a portable Nintendo system that has Pokemon, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Splatoon, Dragon Quest XI, and Monster Hunter XX on it probably is something you should take seriously, then really you shouldn't be in this business. This is not like some iffy/dicey proposition, this is much of a slam dunk sure thing as there's going to be in the Japanese market of today.

And granted it's possible Japanese developers are already on the right wave length anyway. DQXI and Dark Souls III already apparently en route bodes well.

Its only nintendos fault for launching new hardware in such a stupid timeframe.  You can bitch all you want, the developers are only being logical.  80m plus user base on PS4/X1 or hopes and dreams on nintendo hardware, easy choice when tens of million are on the line and hundreths of jobs.    

Only hope for japanese devlopers is drop their phobic reliance on japan and embrace the world.  Making games for the world.  



DonFerrari on 09 December 2016
soulripper31 said:
DonFerrari said:

 

Because 0,6TF of switch will certainly be enough for next final fantasy right? putting ff XVI will be no different than to put ff XV on WiiU. but certainly the Best way is to attack others like burninmylight is doing. 

First of all, you don't know the specs of the Nintendo Switch. Second of all, you don't need powerful hardware to make great games. I've already mentioned it before but Pokémon Red and Blue are much more iconic games than Final Fantasy VII. How long has FF XV been in development again? Was it worth all that time waiting?

But I guess some people prefer fancy graphics over actual gameplay. Never the less, Final Fantasy is on the decline and it will continue to decline if they keep prioritizing graphics over gameplay.

And making games for a platform isn't only a question about how powerful it is, but how much it will sell. Are you saying the Switch will sell as poorly as the Wii U? Otherwise your comparison makes little sense.

All the rumours goes toward a 0,6TF or at least sub 1TF HW.

I haven't said you need powerfull HW, where did you take it from? But you would also probably say "artistic direction over graphics" to justify your choice.

Switch won't start outselling PS4 55M lead in a long if at all. So what would be the incentive to release an exclusive to Switch? But I won't keep entretaining an alt-acc.

burninmylight said:
DonFerrari said:

 

Because 0,6TF of switch will certainly be enough for next final fantasy right? putting ff XVI will be no different than to put ff XV on WiiU. but certainly the Best way is to attack others like burninmylight is doing. 

Hey old chum, I learned it from the best somebody (you). But who is attacking who? All soulripper31 did was ask you to show him who is portbegging for the Wii U (a nice way of saying, "Please stop strawmanning me").

All I did was point out that people of your position keep bringing up entirely different consoles when the rest of us are talking about a specific one, as if the N64 in America was called Gamecube in Europe, or the Switch is keeping the name Wii U outside of Japan. Does that make you feel attacked? Feel free to report me then.

I don't remember taking you as an student of anything. Have I attacked you? Nope, but you know you done and recognized it.

People of which position are you saying I am?

Perhaps we bring more consoles to give context instead of wishfull thinking? And considering you got warned by a mod it doesn't seem like I was the only one seeing you dishing personal attacks.



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