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Is getting rid of the TPP good?

Yes 81 68.07%
 
No 19 15.97%
 
Meh... 3 2.52%
 
Don't know enough to form a concise opinion 16 13.45%
 
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sethnintendo on 22 November 2016
palou said:
sethnintendo said:

So we can now view what the trade agreement was going to be?  The whole secrecy is what killed it in the first place for most USA citizens.  I'd have to get a layman's term report of the trade deal because I'm sure they use language in it to describe shit that would make the average person wonder what the fuck they are talking about or trying to agree on.

For the clauses, what I, personnaly, consider to be the worst (note: I suuport it, so it might be different for others), is that US pharmaceutic companies could prevent generics being put on the market for quite some time after its creation (30 years, I think, for drugs? I'm don't remember the exact numbers, but medication stays under copyright laws for quite some time in the US.)

I don't really see any major negative impacts for the US, though, seeing as the deal imposes laws already in application in the US worldwide.

Yea, that sounds like a terrible clause.  I remember hearing something about that awhile back.  Must be another awesome lobbyist effort from big pharma.  I think the main problem with the TPP is that some companies (like Nike) came out and said oh if this thing passes then we will bring jobs back.  Do you think anyone believed that after the last few trade agreements burned American workers for the most part.  It just seemed like an outright lie.



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WolfpackN64 on 22 November 2016

It's good to see the TPP go. Large free trade agreements have rarely, if any contributed to a better livelihood for the common people.



palou on 22 November 2016
WolfpackN64 said:
It's good to see the TPP go. Large free trade agreements have rarely, if any contributed to a better livelihood for the common people.

Ah, you see, I might be a bit of a globalisr in this case. (Not for everything, necessarily) Free trade agreements do help people, in average, if you consider both countries implied. My criterias for if something is okay are:

1. If it's good for me (as I'm selfish, as everyone else)

2. If it's good for humanity as a whole

Might also have to do with me travelling alot, so I don't have that much national attachment.



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palou on 22 November 2016
fordy said:

I have this feeling that we wont see the last of the TPP. Like SOPA/PIPA, it will probably return under a different name, with Trump's defense being that he "turned a bad deal into a tremendous deal!"

See, that's a bit of a problem, if RCEP passes, which China will pish for as fast as possible now that TPP is off the table, it will be extremely hard to put up anything new.



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WolfpackN64 on 22 November 2016
palou said:
WolfpackN64 said:
It's good to see the TPP go. Large free trade agreements have rarely, if any contributed to a better livelihood for the common people.

Ah, you see, I might be a bit of a globalisr in this case. (Not for everything, necessarily) Free trade agreements do help people, in average, if you consider both countries implied. My criterias for if something is okay are:

1. If it's good for me (as I'm selfish, as everyone else)

2. If it's good for humanity as a whole

Might also have to do with me travelling alot, so I don't have that much national attachment.

And how do they help people in average? Dissapearing jobs help people much?



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sethnintendo on 22 November 2016
WolfpackN64 said:

And how do they help people in average? Dissapearing jobs help people much?

Helps people in other countries.  They could pay an average worker here about 10-30 dollars a hour for a job they do but if they go to Mexico then they can pay them 2-5 dollars a hour for the same job. 

As for helping USA manufacturing jobs?  The only thing they are trying to do now is go more automation and have a few people instead of a lot of people on a line.  Have a couple of operators if any and a few technicians and engineers to look after the machines.



SvennoJ on 22 November 2016

I'm not informed on the subject, but if big pharma doesn't get its way then good riddance. Fuck em.



palou on 22 November 2016
WolfpackN64 said:
palou said:

Ah, you see, I might be a bit of a globalisr in this case. (Not for everything, necessarily) Free trade agreements do help people, in average, if you consider both countries implied. My criterias for if something is okay are:

1. If it's good for me (as I'm selfish, as everyone else)

2. If it's good for humanity as a whole

Might also have to do with me travelling alot, so I don't have that much national attachment.

And how do they help people in average? Dissapearing jobs help people much?

The job does not "dissapear", considering it's still being done by someone.



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WolfpackN64 on 22 November 2016
sethnintendo said:
WolfpackN64 said:

And how do they help people in average? Dissapearing jobs help people much?

Helps people in other countries.  They could pay an average worker here about 10-30 dollars a hour for a job they do but if they go to Mexico then they can pay them 2-5 dollars a hour for the same job. 

As for helping USA manufacturing jobs?  The only thing they are trying to do now is go more automation and have a few people instead of a lot of people on a line.  Have a couple of operators if any and a few technicians and engineers to look after the machines.

But these companies already made enough profits. Why did they leave? To get more profits.

The problem in this equasion is capitalism.



jigokutamago on 22 November 2016
WolfpackN64 said:
palou said:

Ah, you see, I might be a bit of a globalisr in this case. (Not for everything, necessarily) Free trade agreements do help people, in average, if you consider both countries implied. My criterias for if something is okay are:

1. If it's good for me (as I'm selfish, as everyone else)

2. If it's good for humanity as a whole

Might also have to do with me travelling alot, so I don't have that much national attachment.

And how do they help people in average? Dissapearing jobs help people much?

Basic economic models will tell you that free trade increases efficiency. However, being efficient does not mean that it is fair.